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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:24 am 
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hey... so i have a bit of a situation and i'm not sure how to go about handling this

met a girl +-2 months ago, spent the night at her place. 2 days after we met she went to the other side of the country on holiday. texted and spoke on the phone a fair bit and she's made it fairly clear that she wants a relationship when she gets back next friday, so it's only a matter of time until i have to confront the situation...

now, she's a nice, hot, smart girl. definitely has a lot of potential.
i'm attracted to her, but i dont want to be tied down just yet in an exclusive, commited relationship.

how do you tell a girl that you want to see her, but you also want to see other girls?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:39 am 
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You can start by saying you want to date her but not quite exactly want something exclusive and heavily committed right now.

Be honest?

If she runs away crying, then let her run away crying. It's no loss.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:09 am 
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thats what i had in mind but wasn't too sure of it.
not used to having girls pressuring me to date them yet :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:06 pm 
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Yea, just be honest, but word it nice. :)

not as in "I wanna fuck around.."

more like:

"I can't make a commitment to you, when I'm not sure I can keep it."

Do tell her that she has a special place in your heart , you just (maybe?) need a little more time to figure out what you want...

bla bla the usual crap girls pull ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:05 pm 
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If you sign up to Adam Lyons mailing list you can download a free Multiple Long Term Relationship Handbook.

It has an awesome video link of what to say to a girl who is getting "heavily into you" and how to keep that spark going with her, whilst seeing other women at the same time.

Google attractionexplained.com for details


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:35 pm 
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Yeah, I dig some of Adam's thoughts...

Here's mine:
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7 Hot Tips for the Wannabe Ladiesman


It’s every man’s dream.

Having your cake and eating it too.

I’m talking about a drama free environment of multiple non-exclusive relationships with HOT girls.

But where to start? Have you ever actually met anyone who has been able to pull it off?

Lucky for you, I’ve gone through the process multiple times. I’ll help you avoid the common pitfalls guys encounter when diving into the world of multiple girlfriends.

The thing I see over and over is the dissonance between what you want and what you project. Looking for a girl you can randomly hookup with, no strings attached, but unintentionally projecting “monogamous vibes” onto the relationship.

This is because main-stream media only gives examples of relationships where sex = monogamy.

Over time I have come to realize that women are just as interested in these types of relationships as men. It’s just the way men come across. It is easy to see why girls expect more out of the relationship, because the man is projecting through his mannerisms and actions boyfriend type “vibes.”

Utilizing these techniques will instill certain patterns that lead to naturally conveying the right qualities. They are very effective, but you don’t want to be a social robot. Be flexible.

Each tip is beneficial when starting out, but after a while your subcommunications will be congruent with what these rules are trying to convey and they won’t be as necessary.

1. Don't meet up with the girl more than once a week.

If you can keep the relationship to only meeting up once a week, you mitigate the chances of it escalating into something more serious. It keeps the relationship moving at a very slow pace, and neither of you are going to develop a deep emotional connection.

It is a hard-wired human trait that the more time spent with someone, the more pair bonding takes place, where there is an actual chemical dependency between the two of you. It is inevitable that the relationship will head in a traditional direction if you see each other too much. And what happens with a traditional BF/GF relationship? Exclusivity.

Also, don’t text/call the girl EVERY day. You don’t want her thinking about you day in and day out. It causes positive feedback loops where she is continuously picturing the two of you together, and will try to make her thoughts into a reality.

2. Don't fall into the traditional frame of buying her gifts, going to dinner, meeting the parents, holding hands, etc.

Basically what a lot of these rules accomplish is that you are trying to keep the relationship out of traditional boyfriend-girlfriend zone. The more actions you do that can be considered boyfriend/girlfriend actions, the more likely she will think you two ARE in a serious relationship.

This also pertains to how you act with your mutual friends and when going out to bars/clubs together. Treat her like every other friend, and DON’T GET JEALOUS if she is talking to other guys.

You aren’t exclusive with her, so why should she have to be? Just because you meet each other out doesn’t GUARANTEE that you are going to end up together at the end of the night. If she ends up with some one else, it shouldn’t affect you.

3. Be discrete.

Don’t flaunt your successes. No matter if it’s just with your friends or other girls, it’s a bad idea. Word will spread that you “kiss and tell,” and if any girl sleeps with you, a lot of people are going to find out about it.

You might be wondering, “But how am I supposed to be considered the ‘sex-worthy’ guy if no one knows it?”

It is SUBCOMMUNICATED. It’s pretty obvious based on how often you see the girl, and the way you act around her that you have lots of options, and are probably seeing multiple women.

4. Don't worry about the “relationship talk” until it comes up. NEVER be the one to bring it up.

I hear it over and over... “What do I do when she asks what are we? Let’s be boyfriend-girlfiend?”

Follow my advice, it’s a non-issue until it becomes one. Don’t worry about.

Some people suggest proactively telling the girl what your intentions are…

Well, unless the girl is VERY non traditional and sexually open, you are going to have a lot fewer options, because most girls just aren’t willing to frame the relationship in that way.

It’s more of a tacit understanding. It doesn’t need to get talked about until things reach a point where one of you builds a strong enough emotional attachment that you desire more from the relationship.

5. When “the talk” does come up, be honest.

Don’t lie to her about how you view the relationship. Be straight forward, and don’t pussyfoot around. Honesty is key.

You probably really enjoy her company, the sex is probably pretty good, but you aren’t in a place in your life where you want a serious relationship right now.

This is not some line, but actually the headspace I am in when this discussion comes up.

EXTRA:

Two questions that girls ask, that they NEVER want answered…

“How many girls have you been with?”
“Have you been with any other girls since we started hooking up?”

I am all for the authentic/genuine guy thing, but certain things are just going to destroy the relationship. How do you answer these properly?

Girl: How many girls have you been with?
YOU: I understand what you are trying to ask. Don’t worry I have always been safe and am tested.

Girl: Are you hooking up with any other girls?
YOU: Girl, I have been so busy, I don’t even have time to THINK about other girls…

-Again, it’s tacitly subcommunicated that you are seeing other girls, no need to verbalize it and hurt the woman’s feelings.

6. Don't flirt with other girls in front of her unless going for a threesome.

It's cool to talk to girls, just don't actively flirt and start making out with someone in front of her. It's mean and tacky.

Jealousy plotlines and the like are great during the initial interaction, but if you already sleeping together, there is no need to bring jealousy into the relationship.

You should be SUBCOMMUNICATING plenty of non-neediness and being “a man of many options” because you are sleeping with multiple women. No need to flaunt it in her face.

Also, if you already have multiple girls, why are you in such a hurry to go out and meet more when you’re with one of your girlfriends? It smells of insecurity, and an addiction to pickup. Compartmentalize your nights of cold approaching and the nights spent out with your girl, which I know is easier said than done.


7. Use distance to end the relationship.

Girls are smart. They more than likely have broken up with multiple guys in there lifetime. This might be a new circumstance for you.

All you really need to do is distance yourself from the girl. Don’t attempt to meet up with her, and stop calling and texting. She will get the point quickly.

You are basically putting her into the “friend zone.” The sexual tension just dissipates over time and it turns into more of a friendship than a sexual relationship.

The thing you don’t want to do is completely cut off the conversation. If she texts you, respond with something benign. Don’t egg her on and get sexual or flirty.

What you are trying to avoid is completely shutting her out of your life, burning bridges and never talking to each other again. By keeping things open and friendly you have the opportunity to hook up again somewhere down the line if you happen to run into each other…

Conclusion:

Realize that these types of relationships are more natural and commonplace than you would expect. It’s just something that isn’t talked about because verbalizing it goes against some of the core tenets of how these relationships form.

Stick to the rules, but be flexible as you get more experience and see where it leads.

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I know you are asking for ways to not get in a serious single LTR. Guys answered that. What I suggest is, if she is going to ask for it, let her know what it will take for you to agree with it.

Before meeting up with her again, go through the things you want in your perfect woman. List every single thing you want.

Then, when she does ask for the LTR, let her know the things you want that she hasn't shown yet. One of them is that you may want an open relationship that when you are with her, you are totally committed to her, but when you are not, you are seeing other people.

If you say that you would like an LTR also, but you want these things to be part of it, she'll decide whether to conform to them, or not. Let her know that you are fine with things how they have been for the last few weeks, and if she wants to keep it that way, there's no problem.

If you give her a chance to be who you want, she might be the one you want. If you push her away without a chance, you might be letting go of something great.

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Manage expectations in the first place before you fuck her and release all her oxytocins to make her feel all pair bonded with you and shit.


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just avoid it, it takes 2 to tango, act like it never happened, act as if u dont even realize she wants a relationship.


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