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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:40 pm 
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I use to be a natural at this game. Actually, I still think I'm a natural on stuff other then opening and kino but the thing is can I still neg her after A1-A3?
What I did with my ex-girlfriend was that I use to neg her all the time, I'd call her out on things and call her a brat/spaz/dork or whatever. I've read somewhere that I shouldn't neg during comfort, is this true? Is there a reason why?


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Sounds like you don't truly understand what a neg is.
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Negs are basically insults with just enough of a compliment in them to keep the girl from getting pissed off at you. Their intent is to feel like a backhanded compliment to her and cause her to feel inferior to you in order to lower her self esteem and perceived value of herself, in turn increasing her perceived value of you. Generally they're NOT genuine and are typically overly sarcastic.

Teasing is playful and a kind of flirting. Teasing should never hurt anyone's feelings or lower their self esteem or perceived value. Instead teasing often works to increase their feeling of value and cause them to enjoy being around you because you make them feel good about themselves. Teasing can be done in different ways. Sometimes teasing is an obvious lie when you say something mean in order to let her know that you actually think the opposite of what you've said which is a way of complimenting her. Sometimes teasing is sarcastic but based on a genuine compliment or criticism of something insignificant that you find cute.

When it is all boiled down, negs hurt people, teasing makes people happy and have fun.
Honestly I don't think you should have to neg anyone. Occassionally perhaps when someone has a stick up their ass and you need to give them a reality check to get the off their high horse, but otherwise you're just being a douche by destroying a person's feeling of self worth. Most people don't require negs and the same results or better can be achieved with flirting instead.

The people who invented the concept of negging and took it to the extreme that it is now seen, were just a bunch of unconfident, self-conscious guys, with low self esteem, who felt that in order to be seen as cool by other people, they had to knock them down a few pegs. Unfortunately that is only addressing the symptom, not the root of the problem. If you want to be truly cool and successful, then you have to raise yourself up rather than knock other people down.

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The people who invented the concept of negging and took it to the extreme that it is now seen, were just a bunch of unconfident, self-conscious guys, with low self esteem, who felt that in order to be seen as cool by other people, they had to knock them down a few pegs. Unfortunately that is only addressing the symptom, not the root of the problem. If you want to be truly cool and successful, then you have to raise yourself up rather than knock other people down.
It does me good to hear how much this has all moved on from when I first started this 4 years ago.
Just when "The Game" came out, people really didn't know what this was all about and warped it into something more ugly.
I'm glad people are prepared to clarify to the new folks just how this all works.


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Okay, well my question was still not answered unless you're saying you should never neg but in the 'Ultimate Negs Collection' it included calling her a brat. So if she is actually being a brat and you call her out on it. Would that be considered teasing or negging? Or are they one and the same? Either way, I truly believe that if I did call her a dork when she is being what, it would be fine and I am not being an unconfident, self-conscious guy with low self esteem but rather I am being confident in that I am speaking my mind. So, yes you're right. I don't understand the concept fully because the definitions kind of overlap each other.

Furthermore, the famous line 'where is your off button' created by Mystery is used a lot by him. Did he create this line? If so, does that mean he has low self esteem because I believe he is very confident in what he does.


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Okay, well my question was still not answered unless you're saying you should never neg but in the 'Ultimate Negs Collection' it included calling her a brat. So if she is actually being a brat and you call her out on it. Would that be considered teasing or negging? Or are they one and the same? Either way, I truly believe that if I did call her a dork when she is being what, it would be fine and I am not being an unconfident, self-conscious guy with low self esteem but rather I am being confident in that I am speaking my mind. So, yes you're right. I don't understand the concept fully because the definitions kind of overlap each other.

Furthermore, the famous line 'where is your off button' created by Mystery is used a lot by him. Did he create this line? If so, does that mean he has low self esteem because I believe he is very confident in what he does.
Whether it is a tease or a neg sometime depends on how you say it. When I call a girl a punk or a brat or something like that, then it's a tease, but the way some people say it, it is intended to lower her self esteem and hurt her, thus making it a neg. You're right, it's not a simple definition with clear lines, but over 99% of pickup is that way, so you have to learn to figure stuff out and come to an understanding, not just base what you think upon definitions.

Yeah, I'm saying Mystery has low self esteem. The fact that he can't let a girl talk and has to come up with a line in order to assert himself enough to get control of the conversation is a pretty damn good indication of that in my opinion. If a girl wants to talk to you, then you're doing a good job and you shouldn't have to tell her to stop talking because if you do have something to say, then she should be interested in hearing what that is because you're an interesting and confident person that can assert themself without telling other people to shut up. It would be a cute line if you used it very rarely, but you yourself say that he uses it a lot and that's because he feels the need to be the center of attention all the time or else he doesn't feel special, which is basically low self esteem in a nutshell.

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So, that means the new question would be is teasing fine during comfort?

I believe Mystery uses that line not to insult the person but rather disqualify himself from looking like someone who will hit on the target to the group. He doesn't use it to become the centre of attention but rather tell the group indirectly he isn't after so that that he won't get AMOG'd. Of course, later he does become the centre of attention because that's what it happens when you DHV. I think what you're saying about Mystery is actually bias and opinionated as if you have something against him. However, he does this because it is his technique.


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So, that means the new question would be is teasing fine during comfort?

I believe Mystery uses that line not to insult the person but rather disqualify himself from looking like someone who will hit on the target to the group. He doesn't use it to become the centre of attention but rather tell the group indirectly he isn't after so that that he won't get AMOG'd. Of course, later he does become the centre of attention because that's what it happens when you DHV. I think what you're saying about Mystery is actually bias and opinionated as if you have something against him. However, he does this because it is his technique.
Teasing is great any time in moderation. You can tease girls while you're in the middle of sex and get great results, so there's no time when you have to stop teasing because it's fun and playful.

Honestly I used to think Mystery was really good and liked his stuff, but then I realised that he has low self esteem and that's why he does a lot of things the way he does. He's got some emotional issues and if you've read The Game then they're pretty apparent. I'm not going to say I don't have my own issues because everyone does, but I don't use his tricks that get other people to stop talking and pay attention to him because I don't think they're useful unless you can't keep people entertained and interested in what you're saying, which isn't one of my problems. I think you're misunderstanding why he uses that line because it isn't a disqualifier, it's purely used to regain control over the set when they stop paying attention.

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