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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:17 am 
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Sup ladies, Ive seen a few of yall on the forum and wanted to ask a few questions. What differs from a women's PU than a guys? Is it easier? I also wonder why you are here cause I know wemon can get guys. Is it just to get better guys? Thanks and Peace.


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I'm not a woman but from what I have heard female PUAs look for high quality men/women rather than the guy they can just pickup at a bar. It is also about having options and maintaining healthy relationships. I'm sure one of the ladies will be by soon to help with the other bit of your question.

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Jay hit on some good points:

Society has told us that men do the approaching. But with that old school view, women have to choose the best guy out of the group of men that had enough courage to talk to her (i.e. she is settling). Sometimes she may get lucky and a great guy will approach her and settling isn't so bad...but if women start approaching men, they can meet guys that they are attracted to as well. And the more people that a woman meets, the better chance one of those guys is a really awesome guy.

Which brings me to my next point (and Jaybot's point), women (straight ones) are looking for men of high value. This doesn't mean he has to own a porshe, a penthouse suite, and a 6 figure salary. It has nothing to do with money. Women want to meet guys that are fun, know how to turn them on, and know how interact with them. That is naturally left up to interpretation because not everyone is looking for the same type of person.

Female game is much different and yet somewhat the same as guy game. Male PU was originally (and still for the most part) designed for men to be able to have sex with more women. *Note* I'm not saying that this is the sole purpose of all guys...there are guys who want other things out of it and sex is not mutally exclusive with those other facets. But female game is not designed to allow women to have sex with more men. You're right, women can have sex much easier than men if they wanted to have sex with any random person (although that isn't true acroos the board--there are men that turn down women bc they are just some random person, they arent attractive enough etc...).

But along with that, not all women are knockouts. Not all women are 7s, 8s, 9s (oh god the rating scale!! :shock: ). So what are the 5s suppose to do? Sit back and be lonely? Lower their standards because they are not pretty enough to attract a high quality man that is also attractive? That isn't really fair and a double standard. But PU can be for all women whether you are a 1 or a "10." It is about how to interact with guys. Think of women that you dating that you dumped because she was crazy, possessive, just not interesting, just didn't push your buttons etc...

All-in-all I think the main focus of female PU is that most (though not all) are looking for relationships and not many guys and much sex. Lines and routines are not that big of a deal. You can throw a line in there now and then but high value guys respond to attention and interest. If you ignore a high value guy too long he will move on. Negging isn't really needed, though teasing and flirting are great. Kino is a must. And an understanding of how guys work and feel is a great bonus. When I talk about things from a male perspective they are amazed that I understand them to that degree.

And last and certainly not least, looks. Women must learn that guys judge looks a lot more than women (though wome still place a great amount on looks as well). For women who don't have model looks or even close to them, those women need to learn how to not be friend-zoned. After doing as much as they can for their appearance, they need to know the tricks to get guys thinking of them as more than just a friend (and thus another long post so I'll stop there). Feel free to message me if you have more questions because that is definately not everything to it.


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Bonita mentions all the aspects very well and I'd just like to add some more:

Sometimes you meet a guy that you really like AND you want to sleep with right away - actually they usually go hand in hand. Yes, its very easy for us to use our body and get what we want, but where does that land us?

Because most girls know how to attract guys with their bodies, but many don't know how to keep a guy or create an intellectual or emotional attraction. And while the physical part makes them feel really good about themselves, the other part gives them inherently low self esteem - which is why you often get the bitch shield. B/c chances are that a hot girl is kind of clueless what to do when the physical part stops working.. which can happen the next morning or a couple of weeks down the line.

Include that you're worried that if you sleep with a guy that you actually like to soon he'll think you're a slut and shut the door right there, and it becomes a mess for a chick and a guy meets a really cool girl and next thing he knows, he just gets drama.

Knowing that you have the ability to create attraction in a guy that is more than just physical (making it more likely for him to come back) or that you can easily land another man makes a girl more confident and, I think, makes a girl MORE likely to engage with a guy sexually even on casual terms. For me personally, now that I think back there are many FwB relationships that I've completely avoided in the past that I actually have been okay with had I believed in my ability to keep a guy with more than just my body or find another quality guy quickly, instead of being into this whole.. well, if I sleep with him now he won't respect me thing. I would have been more relaxed, cooler, the guy would have had a lot less drama and we'd probably be dating now or at least be good friends, hopefully. So if you're scared that female PUA's are going to ruin your game, don't be. In many ways, I think it might make relationships more drama free and enjoyable for both parties :)


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Ya I know I am not a girl, but from reading the posts so far would it be fair to say that the girl PUA's more just want to hone their skills more than anything else? Seeing that most girls develop and learn various PUA traits/skills.


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I wanna be able to get any guy I want. For more than just a ONS. :D


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I was listening to Johnny Soporno when I had this EPIPHANY!

1. Guys, all women are PUAs by nature. They talk. To each other and share their knowledge. Think of them as the ORIGINAL internet, if you will, in that while primarily female or female minded in nature, they share information at a considerable rate even by internet standards. You might call it 'Gossip or gossiping'.

2. Wake up fools! The sexual revolution hasn't ended it's just changing. Their is no such thing as a BATTLE OF THE SEXES. Only the battle of the SEXLESS. You only have to beat your own worst enemy, YOU. It's like anything else in life, it's all about experience and practice. Natural Alpha Males aren't just born. Their created by the women in their FORMATIVE years. Pre-kid/pre-teen years. (Most anyway.) I grew up in a predominantly female family did that give me an edge. Yes and no. What's the deciding factor? NON-FAMILY females. You know, the ones that go 'Awww, isn't he precious! He's so beautiful, I wish he was older I jump him quick!'. So, thus begins the start of the Natural Alpha Male. I dated a chick for 7yrs. In year 4 we got her grandson. She was 17yrs older than me and the thought of being a grandpa that early scared the
shit out of me. When we got him he was very handsome and another AMOG in the house. Even though he was young (5) at the time. He was AMOG as well as I. It became a constant struggle to keep her attention and effection for both of us. Game on. This was the game, but in a homemade form. I didn't know it back then, but that's what it was.

3. Meta-Game. The meta is changing. It always has been and always will be. (Any subject can be said to have a meta-theory which is the theoretical consideration of its meta-properties, such as its foundations, methods, form and utility. Similarly, metamemory in psychology means an individual's knowledge about whether or not they would remember something if they concentrated on recalling it. Furthermore, metaemotion in psychology means an individual's emotion about his/her own basic emotion, or somebody else's basic emotion. Meta-answer is not a real answer but a reply, such as: "this is not a good question", "I suggest you ask your professor". Here, we have such concepts as meta-reasoning and meta-knowledge. In short, meta is just X about X where X is the same or Game about Game.
In addition to a prefix, "meta" is sometimes used as an adjective ("that statement was meta or money (Simplified)").

Simplified gentlemen, the time has come to metamorph yet again!
Gone are the days of June Cleaver, Mary Poppins, and Suzy the homemaker. Gone are the days of burning bras in protest.
No longer is WO of Man willing to cook, clean, raise kids, wait at
home for your sorry ass, or otherwise be controlled by man in anyway.
Kiss the era of sluts, prostitutes, whores (both Hi & Lo class), homewreckers, bitches, tramps, skeezers, and any other sexually
oppressive term NOT listed herein. The sexual revolution hasn't
begun. It's almost over and this is a GOOD thing. This means that
a woman who likes to have sex can just say "& what?" If she likes
her cucu chewed she is now freer than ever to say and act on it! If
she doesn't want to be a housewife or girlfriend (both naturally oppressive old concepts.) but just 'friends' she can do that. No one can tell her different. Not me, not you, not mom, dad, or even God.
She has free will and she will use it. Johnny Soporno can explain this
in much better detail than I (at Johnny Soporno.Com, but watch out this isn't PUA or MPUA. This is brand new, unexplored by the masses and it is META.

Adapt or die tryin!
Sorry so long, much too say.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:57 am 
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1. Guys, all women are PUAs by nature.
I think this is a major misunderstanding. I have come across many guys who think girls have it so easy. But I know a lot of women who get shut down by guys, don't know how to attract guys, and do not know how to maintain relationships. All women are different so even if a girl gives you advice, it may not be true for ALL women. So while you gather info about them through gossip remember to calibrate it....and remember, women don't have relationships worked out to a science...some are really bad at it.


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1. Guys, all women are PUAs by nature.
I think this is a major misunderstanding. I have come across many guys who think girls have it so easy. But I know a lot of women who get shut down by guys, don't know how to attract guys, and do not know how to maintain relationships. All women are different so even if a girl gives you advice, it may not be true for ALL women. So while you gather info about them through gossip remember to calibrate it....and remember, women don't have relationships worked out to a science...some are really bad at it.
I think when guys say that girls have it easy, they are more referring to how a girls can get a bunch of guys approaching them and they can "pick" which guy they want. And that the girls "don't" have to do any work to get the guys. I am not saying your lying Bonita, but I just find it hard to grasp that you know that many girls that get shut down by guys. Mostly because guys still do like 99% of the approaching still.


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I think when guys say that girls have it easy, they are more referring to how a girls can get a bunch of guys approaching them and they can "pick" which guy they want. And that the girls "don't" have to do any work to get the guys. I am not saying your lying Bonita, but I just find it hard to grasp that you know that many girls that get shut down by guys. Mostly because guys still do like 99% of the approaching still.
Firstly, if you think that girls can have a pick of any guy they want, google "why didn't he call" and see the number of hits that pop up. If it was so easy for us, there wouldn't be 198,000,000 of them. Remember, for girls, the end game is usually not to get laid, its a guy who is interested in you sexually AND more. If I sleep with a guy, even if it was a guy that I had picked, and I never heard from him again, I would not call that a success.

Secondly, the art of being a successful female PUA, I believe, is not about approaching a man or getting his attention or getting him to do anything you want, which again, most girls can do easily. It is about getting him to approach you or get him to do anything you want in such a way that he believes it was his idea. Think about it - which girl would you rather be with - the one who tells you what to do or the one you "naturally" wanna do things for.

When discussing female game, remember, getting laid for most girls is easy. It is being able to keep a guy's interest with more than just your body in a very strong hook-up culture is the real interest of most girls. That's why we don't necessarily have it easier.


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Firstly, if you think that girls can have a pick of any guy they want, google "why didn't he call" and see the number of hits that pop up. If it was so easy for us, there wouldn't be 198,000,000 of them. Remember, for girls, the end game is usually not to get laid, its a guy who is interested in you sexually AND more. If I sleep with a guy, even if it was a guy that I had picked, and I never heard from him again, I would not call that a success.
You did notice that I put pick in quotes right? As there was a reason for "pick" and not pick. As far as success goes everyone has their own meaning of success. :wink:
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Secondly, the art of being a successful female PUA, I believe, is not about approaching a man or getting his attention or getting him to do anything you want, which again, most girls can do easily. It is about getting him to approach you or get him to do anything you want in such a way that he believes it was his idea. Think about it - which girl would you rather be with - the one who tells you what to do or the one you "naturally" wanna do things for.
Neither. I hate being controlled and any girl that tries to control me will find that she can't and if she continues to try to, she will be in a very sticky situation.

I am curious why do you seek out such control? Wouldn't you rather want a guy to stick around because he was actually interested in you. Or do you want a guy to stick around because you are controlling him to do so? I am not trying to pick a fight, but I seen what this type of control can do to people and it is not pretty. I can see in a way why you think you need to do this, but there are other ways to keep a guy around.
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When discussing female game, remember, getting laid for most girls is easy. It is being able to keep a guy's interest with more than just your body in a very strong hook-up culture is the real interest of most girls. That's why we don't necessarily have it easier.
If you read my post again I think you will see that I am not talking about relationships, but the first encounter where boy meets girl and girl meets boy. When it comes to relationships, no one has it easier as it takes two to tango.


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I am curious why do you seek out such control? Wouldn't you rather want a guy to stick around because he was actually interested in you. Or do you want a guy to stick around because you are controlling him to do so? I am not trying to pick a fight, but I seen what this type of control can do to people and it is not pretty. I can see in a way why you think you need to do this, but there are other ways to keep a guy around.
Control is not the word here. Its about subtlety. Subtly asking for things that you want in a way that will make the guy think its his idea. Feel free to disagree, but in my experience, girls with lots of masculine attributes (aggressiveness) get further ahead in the short-run only.


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I am curious why do you seek out such control? Wouldn't you rather want a guy to stick around because he was actually interested in you. Or do you want a guy to stick around because you are controlling him to do so? I am not trying to pick a fight, but I seen what this type of control can do to people and it is not pretty. I can see in a way why you think you need to do this, but there are other ways to keep a guy around.
Control is not the word here. Its about subtlety. Subtly asking for things that you want in a way that will make the guy think its his idea. Feel free to disagree, but in my experience, girls with lots of masculine attributes (aggressiveness) get further ahead in the short-run only.
Couldn't this run into the guy not picking up on the subtlety, as guys are not really known for picking up on such things. Just look at how many guys here have ask what IOI's look like, and that in many ways direct communication that guys can miss.


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Couldn't this run into the guy not picking up on the subtlety, as guys are not really known for picking up on such things. Just look at how many guys here have ask what IOI's look like, and that in many ways direct communication that guys can miss.
Yes, some guys do, but many don't. But that's a good thing b/c its part of the weeding out process. If I constantly have to knock a guy over his head for him to realize something then is he really worth my time in the first place?

And no, often direct communication does not work. Say you've been seeing a guy for a bit and its going well and want to know where its going. So you sit him down one day and have a direct communication with him and say "hey jupura, where do you see this relationships going? are you seeing other girls?? can you stop!! I think we really like each other and should be together!" Probably not the best idea...


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There is no way to actually control someone. No matter what you do, they still have the free will. There are things you can do to improve yourself and your interactions with them and if they decide they like those interactions then they will choose to do something.

But the point is you shouldn't be trying to control anyone...you should should be trying to collaborate. How can you both get the best out of the relationship. It shouldn't be a battle about who can make the other person do what they want. If you can show people how something benefits them, they are more likely to accept it willingly than reluctantly (or not at all).


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