I don't know where I should put this post, so I'm sorry if its in the wrong area...but I am fairly new to the game.

Ok so I finally decided to try this out (clubbing alone) as I am currently in a new city and the few friends I have made so far here bailed on Friday night. Now when it comes to dancing I have no problem. Girls tell me I'm a good dancer as well...but i read on this forum somewhere that most guys who are just grinding with girls never actually go anywhere with the girl! So last night i decided to only dance for a bit and try to actually use openers/routines that I have picked up lately.

Attempt #1

I go downstairs to use the washroom and just as I was about to go back upstairs two HB 7 and 8 catch my eye. They are sitting at a table and I almost walk by before opening over the shoulder with the "who lies more" opener. First off, by hearing these openers in forums I never thought they would work that well, but when these girls started to get into it and arguing I was smiling thinking how easy it really is. I asked them who was the better liar out of the two and luckily the target said she was...so I ran the "5 questions" game which worked like a charm. I then got into different topics, making sure I was negging the target when she interrupts her friend etc.. I did the whole "bad girl/good girl" thing..and then my target claims that they're both bad girls (IOI? i dunno) This is where I think i could have escalated kino a lot by going down this "how are u a bad girl" type thing, but I knew since they were downstairs (they were all tired out from dancing and just relaxing now) and it would leave the obstacle alone there wasn't a good shot I could isolate my target . Long story short I did get a number close and she made sure she put my name and my number in her phone so I'm confident she actually wants me to call. My only concern is I didn't escalate kino enough and I need help on my next step so I don't enter that dreaded friend zone.

Attempt #2

This was right around last call, I am at the bar and these two girls are beside me both HB 8's. I start off with another opinion opener...which i then transition into the best friends test...they ate this all up. A 3rd friend comes to meet them. She then gives me this speech that my target is a special girl and that it takes a lot to win her over etc.... I just replied "well im just here for good conversation...besides she's not my type" she was a blonde..so i just said im into brunettes (btw was this line necessary? I feel like with her looks I could get away with it)

So i bet the target a drink for the 5 questions game....she actually somehow failed on the 2nd question when i asked "what year is it?" and she responded "2009" haha

Now I won the bet..i neg her for being such a bad liar,but when we go to get a drink they aren't serving drinks anymore! I tell her that she still owes me and to put her number in my phone and I can get that drink off her some other time. She says why don't I take your number? (uh oh...i think) . I just said ok lets take each others numbers and she then agreed. Although I got the #close...i feel this is likely to be going nowhere. Any thoughts or things I could have done differently?

It seems in both cases I have to work on escalating kino better, but do you think I have any possibilities with these #closes?

Any thoughts would help.

Thanks.

Ok, so I gave a call to the first girl and she genuinely seemed excited and interested. We talked about 10 minutes and then when I finally went to setup a day 2, she said she is going out of town for 3 weeks for work, but would want to meet up after when she comes back.

Now I'm confused...doesn't this sound like shes flaking? If so though, why would she make up something about being gone for so long, but then still mentioning she wants to meet up after she comes back?

Should I just move on...and if she calls when she gets back in town then great? If you think it is a flake...is it because I didn't initiate enough attraction in the club?

well you doing pretty well my friend, just continue going out and having fun.. In three weeks if you still feel like it, call her, if not whatever, its your choice my friend, dont forget that....

As much advice as anyone can give you here, you gotta learn to use your own head sometimes.


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I don't think its a flake.

and I don't know but there were maybe too much negs no? teasing would be better cause you got to the comfort zone i think with the 5 questions game.
I might be wrong, but negging is mainly used so the girl doesnt block your attempt of talking to her with her bitch shield.

First things first... don't ask a girl for her # directly. You could've said, "Now I'm going to need a way to collect on that drink sometime." Asking for her number sets off automated defense systems most of the time.

You could've recovered from it by saying, "That's okay, I met you at a club, and I hardly ever call back girls I meet at clubs." This will likely make her think that you think less highly of her than people you'd meet through your social network or on the street.



As far as the girl going out of town... you're reading too much into it. Call her after three weeks and ask her how her trip was, tell a funny or awesome story about something that happened to you while she was gone. Say something to the effect of, well you have my number, give me a call sometime and we'll find a time when we're both not busy to meet up.

OK. Good job gaming for the first time alone. Not to say that you did anything wrong because I was not there, but if them chics would of told me that they were both bad girls I would of threw my hands at em, smiled playfully, and told them I couldnt talk to them anymore. Just another option to get them to prove themselves to you.

As far as you thinking she is a flake. No I dont think so. She is interested fo sho. Remember she made sure you had her number

During these three weeks dont quit playing the game. You might date 10 girls before you find one worth keeping around that is worth your time and is truely interested in you.

Cool, thanks for the responses. Yah the girl actually texted me after our convo telling me she was not looking forward to the work and said she will give me a ring when she gets back in town, so i'm not worried about that anymore. In fact since im fairly new to the game, I think it might be a good thing as I can learn a lot more in the 3 weeks to come!

haha on the other hand...attempt #2 did not go well at all! I texted the 2nd girl bringing up the fact that she still owes me the drink. "she" responds with "ummm...i think u texted the wrong person lol"

so i say to myself great the girl gave me a fake number!

oh well 1/2 on my first night isn't bad...and i def. see areas I could have improved in the 2nd attempt.

the funny thing is though that the girl then says right after in a diff. message "and im glad its the wrong person...because im very poor from my own last night"

so now im thinking wth?? I thought to myself i have no idea who this person is and for all i know could be a very young girl or very old women...so i just left it at that, but has this ever happened to anyone and could it possibly lead to a "fake #close leading to a real close"? haha

Fuck number closing just try to get them back to your house that night. Once girls sober up even if they give you a real number. They may not want to talk to you the next day. So go for Fuck close first and if that doesn't work then number close.