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Juice what does it do? Where do you live around?
Oh yeah, this is my first post, so What's up guys?

Well, I dont really know what your asking NY

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Posted this elsewhere, but its relevant here too i guess:

A good opener, field tested on a HB9 and led to some good conversation, but didnt push my luck as im just starting out...

me: "Hey, why do you look so grumpy, did you forget your air guitar?!"

*start air guitaring*

pbviously requires a good song and a good SPAM, but you get the drift.

her reaction was to laugh hysterically for about 5/10 seconds until joining in, at which point I turned to her friends and said something like "join in!" and "come on", to show i wasnt hitting on her.

please comment if you can think of improvements.

with love.

Yo, first night out in a club after coming back from break. Got a quick FR and some questions about what went down.

Alright, so after going to a boring pub with some mates, me and one of my friends decided to hit up a club that supposedly had good music.

We got there, and it seemed dead at first. I was afraid to go on the dance floor, but luckily my mate had a bit more courage and dove straight in. I then took your advice Juice24, and just started dancing and trying to enjoy myself. It was actually really good, I only drank water the whole night, and the club was not to full, nor very empty. There was enough people, and enough space to dance as well.

Soon, these two girls come up (HB6 and HB8), without making eye contact, and start dancing near me. HB8 kind of backs up so she pretty much on me, and starts spinning around. Her friend, HB6, then runs to me laughing and says "She wants to get with you", and then both of them back off a bit giggling. They kept on moving away, and then coming back. At one point, HB8 even goes and grabs my crotch, and runs away laughing. I at no point tried bringing her in to dance closer, although she came close to me a few times. At one point I tried a but bump, which kind of went wrong, and that was pretty much the last I saw of HB8.

Then some other girls come (HB7, HB7, HB8), and start taking pictures with me, and randomnly coming up and dancing with me, and taking more pictures. They even took off my glasses, put them on, and took pictures with me while wearing my glasses. I moved in and started dancing with these girls once or twice, but I wasn't sure how to go about making a move on any of them. So nothing happened there either. An interesting thing though, is that the HB8 which I tried to but bump came back and backed her way into the group of girls I was dancing with, without ever facing me.

A guy even came up to me at one point, hugged me, grabbed my hand and kissed it, which was a bit freaky. I quickly gtfo of there!

It was also a bit annoying though, because everytime a group of girls came close to me, half of the guys in the club would crowd around. I kept on having to move away and find free spaces to dance.

Overall, it was a fun night, but I have two questions:

1.) I was doubting if the girls were in to me, or just thought I looked stupid and were having a laugh at my expense. I didn't get much EC, but they were constantly near me, and came up to dance with me a couple of times. I would always try to get EC, but no one would maintain it or match it. I felt the signals were mixed, and I'm never sure if girls are making fun of me, or if they like me.

2.) If the girls come up to you, how rough do you have to be in dragging them to dance with you. I was afraid to be too aggressive, so I didn't try anything really.

Next week, the plan is to try out some of the suggestions posted here! Hopefully I can get a K-close!

What is your opinion of initiating booty dancing?

I used to just walk up to girls that were dancing and start grinding on them, but when I talked to my 22 year old Cousin, she said girls hate that and that its a huge turn off. I have always wondered if just starting to dance with a girl is bad for many reasons, she migh thave a boyfriend, etc. But whats your take?

Also in a club many girls seem to booty dance by themselves, but with a lot of girls. If one of the girls dancing within 5 feet of you gets closer to you a few times, I say just jump on it.

Now another thing I have noticed is one or two girls (in a group of 3 or 4) that continue to stare at you off and on, from a little bit across the dance floor. Now when this happened to me I wasn't really dancing I was just chilling and the girls where like half dancing and half just hanging out over there. What would you do in that situation?

Talman I watched your youtube video and don't really get it. There are some funny dance moves in there that might get a couple laughs but your not going to go around and actually dance like that in a club. Don't mean to hate or anything just can't see that kind of dancing even remotely doing well with girls.

Juice some questions for u man... u seem like u got this shit handled...
First off i can dance, im fairly good and get attention. I get massive eye contact from girls, fucking hot girls...
girls back themselves into me, surround me etc. At one point in time i can remember having 2 blonde HB9s on my right and having 2 different HBs brunettes on my left... the problem is man I have no idea what to do with this attention. Very rarely do i do anything or i'll wait to long and they'll think im gay.
Honestly a lot of the time im so into the music that im sort of oblivious...
Can u give me some tips with these few different scenarios...
1. So lets say im dancing and i see a HB a few metres away on the dancefloor dancing in a 2 or 3 set. She's giving me massive eyecontact every so often and im returning it... what next? walk over? call her over? i really have no idea.

2. Lets say im dancing and a HB backs herself into me, like into my chest (front)... what next? i've thought about grabbing her waist but it seems to give away to much power/value, uno what im saying. Tap on the shoulder? im worried about disturbing her set... again no idea

3. On the flip side, lets say the HB backs herself into my from behind... what next?

I think a lot of this has to do with my AA. Its funny i have no problem busting out and ripping it up like a mofo but throw a HB into the mix and im fucked...

Also could u explain the concept of kino plow... not really familiar with it

Any help would be good

Excellent FR man, a Year ago when I first started this I didnt know what to do with all the attention, you have desensitize yourself overtime.

To answer questions : 1 - First off, dont doubt yourself on the dancefloor you have to be sure minded that all your openers and how you engage a group of women is gonna work. What I did with this when I noticed it, look at theyre grown dynamic and see if theyre is an opening in which you can make your way. Girls will tend to dance closer to guy with most value on the dancefloor, have your eyes open and no when to strike. Sometimes just turn around and simple put your hand out, and if she complies then your in the game. When you make EC with a girl, be aware of your mindset when looking at her your EC will tell her everything she needs to know about you. Always Smile

2 - Dude I would swing a girl all over the dancefloor, and get her mind mesmerized. This often results in her friends taking her away from me, which I dont mind, just note your not gonna find a girlfriend on the dancefloor but first and foremost make sure your having fun!

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Yeah, most of my girlfriends hate that also, dont just grind up against them unless you see the signal. Dancefloor calibration is hard sometimes because you never know who is with who or the logistics of whats happening.

When you see a group of girls dancing like that, sometimes theyre just there enjoying themselves. What I do is I tap to of the girls on the shoulders and they turn around, sometimes I do "The Box" or Lean with it Rock with it along with the snapping to teach them something.. and try to notice the girl across from you, for some reason .. thats the one that will dance with you first.

This resides into the normal approach of pick up, go over and make yourself known! Sometimes its good to just be curious and go over and see whats up and probably follow the guidelines of my first suggestion bro.

-Juice

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I have had this happen before and it turned out to be one of my best nights of my life. Should you finish dancing with her, go over to her set and butt bump one of her friends.. girls usually around 90% of the time reciprocate the butt bump. Open her set and engage her friends, I would think that she is staring at you from across in the set.. position yourself like your in between both friends. Get her friends approval first, and then work from there.
Dude! The girl knows thats you behind her unless you tragically turn into andy dick. When you start dancing with a girl, unless she is forward about where she wants to touch her, start kino'ing her arms and the sides of her body before you go for the butt, if you body dance for her, girls will normally spank you. For me at least, I know I can spank her myself when the situation is reversed. About power and value, she is giving you the value for backing up into you, now I would proceed to start the kino immediately, as I said above.
If you can shake your booty, start moving it along hers girls with no rhythm are usually good with calibrating to yours. I would say its a comfort building technique before you turn around on her and dance your front to her backside. This is when success is usually given to me

I explained most Kino plowing up above, not in so much detail but you basically kino the things the girl will allow you to until you are ready to go to the next step. let me know if I didnt

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cheers man that helps a lot...
heres another one for you... the occasional time i have danced with girls on the df i can normally k-close pretty quickly, personally i find it a lot easier due to the already heavy kino. The problem is im finding a lot of girls will fuck around and play games, after a kiss, girls will either stop dancing and go back to their friends, often bragging, or gradually they will get bored and get some form of buyers remorse... so how do u handle this? do u extract her off the df and then k-close? a lot of girls will be reluctant to leave her friends though, especially in a 2/3 set...
as i said i can dance and a lot of girls see it as a challenge to dance and kiss me, sometimes i feel like im some damn trophy. u ever have that problem and how u handle it?
sadly the confidence in my game doesnt really reflect my confidence when i dance, bizarre huh, but im slowly getting there.

yeah, cheers for all the tips Juice! This friday gonna go back there, and work on my game some more.

One further question, for clarification:

You said to start kinoing from the arms and side of the body. What about somewhere more assertive right away, like putting your hand on the small of her back/stomach. Would this be too forward, or would it work?

I ask because I put my hands on the waist of one of the girls on that FR, but I think my grip wasn't strong enough. From that she could probably sense I wasn't sure what to do with her. By maybe putting my hand around her back, I can come off as more sure of what i'm doing?

I noticed some of the guys in the club where doing this without the girls freaking out, but all the girls wanted me so in the end no one else got any


I'm thinking of trying something like this next week, basing it off some of Adam Lyon's vids on youtube:

EC or some IOI -> Grab hand/arm -> twirl/bring her closer -> Put her arm on my shoulder, put my hand on the small of her back - > slowly work up to k-close, if possible.

This was tricky when I first started I heard something about dancing with all the girls including the fatty of the group. Most likely although she is fat, she's probably the alpha female of the group. Dude, this happened to me while I was in the workshop with Jsmooth and Kino last year. Im dancing with a HB9 Brunette and I get the cues that she wants to kiss, so I pull her off the dancefloor position myself with my back against the wall, and I make out with her...after I made out with her I never saw her again that night and Im not sure if she left or not but that was the best example of Buyer's Remorse I ever had. She was in a 7set of women, I had danced with all of them including the drunk Cougar of the group. Over time they got comfortable with my presence, and with time you will be able to calibrate it perfectly.

Dance with every girl for at least 2 songs... the fattys will always want you to touch them when you kino. Sometimes women will grab your hand and place it where they want it to be... you have to just be comfortable with touching them there. My point is sometimes, just Kiss the damn girl for social proof reasons. You may want her but she will not be the one tonight.

I kiss them, but yes girls dance with me because I can dance a couple weekends ago I had danced with a 34yr old woman and almost made her orgasm because my kino was so strong. I see dancing as a way for social proofing so I dont really want the girl that kissed on the dancefloor, I want to jump in set and work for it. How you handle it, is just have fun while your dancing, be calibrated to her cues and take it where it needs to go.
I started the same also, you have to force yourself to be social and maybe sometimes run routine while your dancing with her, with the right songs are being played of course, but you will get there.

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