hey guys is the MM book the Mystery Method book? what is the book officially titled?

From the way you write that it's doubtful you will have a steady girlfriend in the future, let alone pick up women. Just from your writing it seems as if the girl isn't justifiable in her anger. Men are manipulating women just for the sake of twisting them more now because of this kind of knowledge.

The reason for all these tips and guides is to find a girlfriend of high qualities/importantance just like what a girl wants in a man. I'm pretty sure you do all of this because you want to be loved also. You want to feel the soft tender touch women.

How would you feel if women learned to game on Mystery. They started playing his game without him knowing it. Now imagine your in that situation, she played you, took your money, your car. I'm sure you would feel like crying.

I quote you

"Just like men don't want to hear about all the ways women manipulate AFCs to get what they want (Ach*Gold Diggers*uuuuuu), women do not want to hear that they are predictable and that men can get everything *they* want.

So looks like you think every women is out to get you so in return you show them the favor by telling them they are illogical creatures and men will dominate because we have learned the switches the turn women on.

Humans are logical contrary to to your belief by the way. The only way you are typing this right now sitting on your comfy computer chair is because the human mind has limitless capabilities including logic. Yes we have emotions but that only tells us how to feel. Not how to interact with out environment. So before you assume that humans arn't logical really take a look at the world around you. You could be opened up to a whole new world.

ThinkTank please dont insult people on the forum or they will and have closed threads fo this very reason. You can make yor point without insults

Moving back to the OP (-_-')
I led my ex-gf through the steps of the M3 model, she ate it up.
I told her about the community, about Mystery, about how we broke it all down to a science.
She loved it.
Now she always takes a look around the forums with me when she needs some advice with men.
Amazing ehh?
I guess it's all just a matter of beliefs.

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Ask her is she happy with you?
If yes, ask her does she have fond memories of your 1st meeting?
If yes, ask her how the HELL she think you got her then tell her to
shut the fuck up!

Honestly, bad move. I thought everyone was clear:
Damned book says "penetrating the "SECRET"[/b] society of pickup artists"

What kind of secret is a secret everybody knows about?

Hide your books better. Once you get the girl hide it at your moms
or something and keep your big mouth shut.

The GAME is sold and not told. I should know I bought it.

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*Face palm* seriously, do some reading mate.

This is the position that I intend to take with women I date. I'm using pickup as a genuine effort at self improvement. My intentions are so pure, I could talk about them with my mother. There is a spectrum of goals for which one could use pickup. If you expect to use it as a starting point for long-term relationships, it is my opinion that being willing and able to discuss pickup with your partner is important. Regardless of whether you are using pickup for casual sex or to find the love of your life, you should maintain respect for yourself. If you're doing things of which you are ashamed, then you should stop and reconsider. If, on the other hand, you are proud that pickup has helped you to become a better, more sociable man, then you should be able to express that sentiment sincerely to your girlfriend.

Emotions are not illogical, they are simply harder to explain....
The logic is not as apparent.

Emotions can be thought of as the communication from the unconscious.


And the whole thing about keeping MM secret ?
With TV-shows and otherwise.

It's ridiculous.
It's simple applied social science.
Science in the way that it is; try this, make a note, try something else, make notes, compare, chose the most effective, calibrate to suit situation, if more than one has been proven to work chose the most effective for the current situation, etc.

Some people think this is cheating, some think it's interesting.

Again; Calibrate to suit the girl.
If she doesn't feel comfortable with things like psychology etc. Chances are big that she won't like having revealed stuff like The Community.

Just like you can't easily explain fear of flying or small enclosed spaces, (you can explain it quite easily if you know what to look for etc. but let's pretend you're not a person who has made an effort to understand this)
you can't easily explain a fear of being analyzed.

Like John Lilly with his "Programming the Human Biocomputer" not everybody feels comfortable being analyzed as though they are computers, with certain codes etc, which determine their behaviour.

It removes a certain illusion from the normal human being's image of the world.
It takes a paradigm shift.
Not everybody wants this.
It has nothing to do, so much, with emotions or logic.
There are Logical people who don't like to be analyzed this way, and there are Emotional people who like it.

Don't generalize this too much.
It's easier to just accept that people are different in this regard.

Hope you get something out of this.

1st of all, and this goes to EVERYBODY. If you're going to show a woman this book. Don't skip to C3 or S1 or whatever. The problem is shes gonna judge the ENTIRE book on a single section and thereby miss WHATEVER point it is you are trying to make because she didn't read the whole thing.

2nd of all, women are naturally 'Reverse wired to men' this means that which is perfectly clear to you makes absolutely no sense to her. Hence, the generic saying that women don't understand men. It's true. What is also true is that men don't REALLY understand women. This community's existing is the only validation a needs to prove it. We are all here seeking the GOLDEN APPLE of knowledge on the subject at hand. If even ONE of ever figured it out don't you think the community would be COMPLETELY unified in one HUGE effort based on ONLY one man, but no, we are all looking to the "EXPERTS" to show us the way. Perhaps the only REAL way is just to talk to your intended, build a relationship which naturally builds attraction, and asking her what she expects of you as dating, mating, or marriage material. Seems kinda simple doesn't? Well I got news for you all. IT'S NOT!! If it were then this 'community' wouldn't even exist. It is at best it's own paradox.

I don't know shit about females, but at least I'm willing to tell her that and let her know that I am willing to listen to her and learn what SHE (not all women in general) needs in a man and that I am willing to take the necessary steps for her.

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One thing I've noticed is, its all in how you explain it. I've told a few people about my involvement in the community and such. Some had good reactions, others had bad reactions. Upon looking closer at how I explained it to them, those who I explained it better too were generally more likely to accept it, then those who I had not explained it as well.

Granted, this cannot be generalized to all humans. There will always be two sides to a story.

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