hey yall

just finnished a night of sarging that ended resultless for all involved. had a great night regardless but, found alot of mysteries openers were generally shunned off. im startiing to think that for the scene were sarging that his openers are particularly weak... in adelaide, australia, it is a small city but it seems that women have big tme mentalities and asking opinion openers on them seems not work... so what should??? how should we conduct ourselves sarging in a group of 3-4? i was starting to think... the fgact that we'd all hang around thru the sargin at time to time may not be helping us.. but i really dont know.. someone please help us on the dynmaics of group sargin.

It's quite possible that your delivery isn't on point. Mystery may be old but I dont think people can say his method doesn't work. Although you can try something differen, look up a guy named AFC Adam for some awesome natural game tips. Cheers

You have to let it all go. Fear, doubt, and disbelief. Free your mind.

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yes MM does work, but I think you have to take a bit from MM, from David Angelo, a bit of RSD and a bit of Ross Jeffries. Style said it best in The Game "I took what each one had to offer and found the things that worked for me". Don't use the MM canned openers, make your own.

Sit down and write up new ones, openers you are actually interested about, that lead to subjects you speak easily about. Part of the idea about an opener is to open the conversation, once you're in the conversation, maybe use a bit of cocky funny and a bit of NLP as you speak, but most importantly, keep the conversation fun, besides, if you're not having a good convo, what's the point?


I like the way Mystery goes over pacing in a conversation, about building interest and then comfort, I agree with this idea, I just think you need to actually use stuff you've made so it comes more naturally. If you follow 'fake it til you make it' too much, you end up having conversations that go nowhere, and this is not what you want.

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also another thing to add.. is after a small interaction and a bit of keno escalation... u can get lost in the hustle and bustle of a club. i would like to know hw to overcome that/

There is only one way to find out! Try it!

i bet you my cock you didnt read the first few sentences that he posted.


but yeah, the M3 model deff. works.
people usually make their own version of it, like i, and stick with it.
for me, having to go through 9 steps is too much, so I focus on building value, escalating sexuality, and making rapport at the same time.
Also, the M3 openers aren't that great. Use your own, it'll be more congruent with you because it actually came from your head.

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