I hate them but I love them. Right now I gotta pounding headache but that's cool.

Anyways, during watching "SuperBad" funny movie and talking to women online. Yeah, I know sarge - but dudes...we're not even gonna go there then I get all bitchy about it. The last sarge report ended up horrible - so fuck it.

Anyways, during watching the movie - I'm gonna fucking take some serious Tyelon when I'm done with this post. It's kinda one of those *BANG BANG BANG* like a hammer smashing you in the head.

Anyways, sorry almost gone ADD there for a second. So, like I was saying...

During watching the movie - I realized that men want nice guys. I read it in all the PUA books but however, it doesn't seem like it. They always go after the assholes.

In my defination of what I've understood in some of the PUA books.

AFC is a guy that inhibits these types of behaviors:

1) Neediness
2) Clinginess
3) Desperate
4) Over protective
5) Try's too hard to have her like her - opps i mean him.

Possibly other behaviors are included.

A PUA in my defination has opposite traits than a AFC. It's like a Remodified AFC.

There's some weaknesses I have. Exploit them and you'll be a cooked Goose - hmmm...kinda hungry for Goose Soup right now. But anyways, before we get in the discussion of cooking Geese for supper.

Here's another thing - I'm fucking weird, I'm not normal and I have a sense of humor that's just off in left field. I think this humor of mine gets in the way of having a girl like me. In my photos that I modify - they're sometimes dark but I like it because I like scary shit. Many people are like, 'Hey, be positive - look on the bright side kiddo!" I believe viewing things as they are. The world has alot of negative junk in it - also it has some positive.

We as humans aren't perfect in anyway - however, we continue to grow and change. Where in the hell am I going with this - I have no idea.

Ah, now I remember - the photos I make of myself is what I view in myself and what I think others view me.

As I started to say about my weakness before the whole cooking the goose soup thing.

Women say I'm cute or handsome or that I have a handsome smile. This one girl that works at subway in Walmart told me I look great. Why though? I'm still the same weight - I don't know what changed.

I question many people's motives alot - why would a woman tell me I look sexy or hot when I'm not. It's to gain something and aliens are gonna invade our planet - I know. Sounds like some conspiracy rant - but however, why would a girl tell me that I'm sexy or whatever nonsense that isn't true. I'm not that gallable anymore like I use to be.

I've learned to not to be so damn gallable and believe every person's word. It's good for support but it's kinda like this when a sales man offering some product or something.

"You're gonna love this new PowerMan Z4000 Toothpaste - it will leave your mouth refreshed with Power Mints that will attract every girl - leaving you a Perfect Kisser!"

I don't where in the hell that came from but kinda got distracted with my landlord fucking his girlfriend and it's 4:37 PM he should be at work!

So, my question here is this:

What the hell is up with women saying they want a nice guy but they go after dick heads.

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Most people don't like easy things in life. Most nice guys that are AFC don't make themselves a challenge to woman. Jerks on other hand make it hard, its a challenge to get him so they end up qualifying to him.

Nice guys have bad qualities, and so do "dick heads". Woman rather tolerate a dickheads negative qualities more often than the nice guys bad qualities also.

Jerks also are jerks.. when a woman gets with a jerk she knows that he is a jerk and will say stuff out of line. A nice guy is like a ninja, you can't really tell what he will say because he is always agreeing and hard to really read who he really is. Jerks are also more confident than the average nice guy, they rather be seen with a person with equal confidence level than someone who will lower their social proof.


ofcourse these are my .02 cent

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You aren't born a PUA.

AFC's evolve into PUAs.

Adaptability.... Failing is learning. There's no such thing as a bitch, you always do something wrong, take responsibility =D.

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Thunderstruck.

Thanks Rem for your post. It makes sense but then also another twist is the Jerks always leave the woman for some hotter chick, then the Soap Opera Show in Life turns on.

WOMAN: Why can't I find a guy that loves me and treats me like a person?

Oh, by the way meaning about treating as a person. I was chatting with a friend of mine on myspace and she told me that some dude walked up and hit on her that was totally drunk or something. She told him, "Look at me then look at you - go find someone on your level and fuck her."

Ouch, however - she added that she didn't want some guy to treat her like some piece of meat but as a person.

So, her statement makes sense and that's why all women complain -

"All guys want is a piece of ass - that's it!" Yeah, you know what I want - fucking Home Run Inn Peopperioni Pizza that's what I want. LMAO!

Anyways, thanks for the reply Rem.

Also, to add - I wrote to her, "Sometimes I feel like turning into a total asshole!" and she wrote back, "If you do - girls like me will rip you to shreds!"

We're just friends but it's cool to get a female's opinion sometimes.

So, this concludes that most NICE GUYS think they have to be NICE to a woman because they don't want the girl to leave them.

Also, watching superbad - it brought me nightmares and I literally almost was gonna scream at the monitor and say, "Just do it you stupid fool!"

However, what's the odds of a girl really wanting a guy that respects them? Like that whole Boy Toy and Boyfriend kinda seperation. Like another girl says, 'Oh, him --- he's just my boy toy that's all." In my mind it interprets, "Oh him --- he's just a piece of shit I get to fuck now and then."

This what I don't really like about women. This whole, "Oh, he's just a piece of shit - I got someone better in mind." kinda attitude.

Also, what I don't like is that - you wake up the next morning and you get kicked out. Wouldn't you feel like shit - like used or whatever. This is what I hate about women. Also, on tv or whatever you'll hear a reporter asking what she really thinks of a man.

"Men are stupid!"

Bull shit that's what I say. Just because they know our weaknesses doesn't mean shit. Anyways - enough with that topic. But however, good post and thanks.

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No, actually, there is such a thing as a bitch, and it isn't always your fault.

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Let's go back to the basics and then some. I hope you're sitting down right now because I'm about to tear you a new one. Stealth, you've been in the seduction community for way too long to still be struggling where you are now, so I'm going to catch you up to speed in one long-ass asshole-pounding post.
The only reason you'd get bitchy over it would be because you're being a bitch about it. You got balls or ovaries? Fucking man up and don't let the pain cripple you.

Sean Messenger says that pain and pleasure are inextricably linked like night and day, and he's right. If you want pleasure in your life, you won't get it while cheating your way out of the pain it takes to get it. Deal with it. A big part of being a man is about opening yourself up to pain, which means you should learn from your mistakes and move on rather than dwelling over past "failures" and letting those failures define you today.
This belief inherently stops you from achieving what you want. If you want to change your life (become a PUA from AFC), you can't just "remodify" yourself. You must transform and change your very foundation after tearing down your old belief structures and stuff. As the lolcats say, "ur doing it wrongz."
Again, you're avoiding pain. You should be exploiting your own weaknesses internally to really see what they're all about. It's called facing your inner demons.
Reality is malleable. Shift your focus to view things in ways that are useful to you. Sure, it's always good to be aware of as much of how things "really are" as possible (being aware of as many perspectives as possible), but what you choose to FOCUS on is a whole 'nother story.

These are just basic skills to develop your inner game, man. Don't make yourself ignorant to the negatives in life; just shift your focus and presence onto the positives. It's better for you and you should already have known that.
Why? Because they want your dick. Women love sex. Just because you haven't yet implemented the optimal seduction to increase their state of arousal and to minimize ASD doesn't mean that you're unattractive.

Weight? Your current rationalization for causal relationships in this scenario ain't helpin ya. I suggest you look for different and truer cause-and-effect explanations for this stuff. That isn't to say that losing weight is a bad thing, though. Definitely keep working on becoming more fit, but don't wait for fitness perfection to start feeling good about yourself and to start reaping the benefits that life throws at you.
Your genes will always be physically attractive to a specific subset of women whether you like it or not. That's just the way it works. But that's kinda besides the point...

Ever met a girl who didn't really LOOK so sexy, but FELT sexy about herself? I certainly have. It makes her seem sexier to me. The same rules apply to men. If you feel sexy about yourself, you're going to seem sexier to women. Right now you are handicapping yourself by believing that you are not sexy. Fucking stop that. Develop your inner game so you get to the point where you genuinely like yourself and feel sexy. BASICS.
I know where in the hell that came from.

Unfortunately, our capitalist society produces some negative side effects. Capitalism is great, but it's not perfect by practice yet. One of these side effects is obsessive consumerism. We're all programmed to believe we can buy a magic solution to any of our problems. We can't.

While looking for magic pills, magic bullets, magic solutions, etc. we only find bandages to cover up our wounds rather than taking the time to heal the wounds themselves. You've been trying to sweep your real issues under the rug like this your whole time here rather than manning up. Your inner demons aren't going to go away; they're only going to bother you more and more and more until it drives you completely bonkers.

Might as well take the shots and deal with them now, huh?
That question has nothing to do with the rest of your post.

But, if you want me to answer it anyway, the problem lies in the issue of semantics. Men and women define "nice" differently. In fact, different men define "nice" differently from other men, and different women define "nice" differently from other women... So who gives a fuck about what women say they want? PUAs and other real men KNOW what women REALLY want, and we fucking give them what they really want: the respect we give ourselves, the love and passion we feel for our deepest purpose, and other things like that.

As other people in the chat room have already told you, you gotta deal with your deeper issues before trying to learn pickup. Stop running from that.

Best way to look at it.

"Women don't like jerks but they are the lesser of two evils."

Either way I'd prefer to be neither animal.

A friend of mine told me that women that are bitches are assertive, men that are assertive as assholes. I don't kow where she got that from.

I was in the smoking room and looked at the news - 21 female slained and left for dead in the snow. It pissed me off alot! Over because her boyfriend was jealous she liked another guy.

21 female - that's fucking young and I hope that mother fucking piece of shit burns. There was defensive wounds then had her throat slashed. Found dead with 32 stab wounds. If I saw that guy i'll fucking make him pay. I know i've totally turned this thread around some. I fucking hate that guy and I don't even know him. I wish I could just fucking beat the shit out of that asshole.

However, he's in jail and will be ass raped - so that's good and I hope he'll never get out of jail, when he dies - i hope he burns and his soul is screaming in agony with pain.

Sorry, I know - but dude what kinda fucking asshole kills a girl over some guy.

Fucking world makes me sick. It's not women I hate - it's fucking evil people in this world I fucking hate. I fucking hate men that beat up women, kill them, rape them. Fucking men that do that to women deserve to be burned alive or beheaded.

Okay, i'm gonna take a chill pill. Anyways,

before I went on my temper tantum - thanks for the post Shards and Yillian. It's good to see you finally post something on my thread Yill. Anyways, I could see more why women have to put up bitch shields up alot more often now aways. It's fucking assholes like that guy that slit his girlfriend's throat that's why.

Women deserve better than that - protection, love, nurishment and someone to support them not some fucking piece of shit that decided to go on a stab happy fest like she's some fucking voodoo doll. If I was God - Evil won't exist.

I can only count on Karma paying that asshole a nice visit and even more. No, I don't know the guy but still I hate when men do that shit to women. She can't fight back - she has less muscle mess than us. Fucking piece of shit! Get ass raped Green get ass raped piece of shit.

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There are three points about this I want to make:
1. People don't define "nice guy" the same way. Guys should be nice guys...but many guys misinterpret "nice" and act clingy, needy, etc... You can be a nice guy without those behaviors. You shouldn't be an asshole.
2. My second point it when faced between "nice guys" (meaning the kind that end up being clingy and needy etc...) and assholes...an asshole is the lesser of two evils. That is why guys think women prefer assholes. They do, but only because an overbearing guy is worse than that.
3. It isn't black and white. It isn't like if you aren't a "nice guy" then you are an asshole and vise versa. You can and SHOULD be inbetween.

although AFC and PUA are on opposite ends of the spectrum, they are not polar opposites. We are human so there are times when it is natural to feel over protective or try to hard to get her to like you. PUA's exhibt these behaviors less, but they are human so it doesn't mean they NEVER act like that.

I know... It's sad to see how these kind of people don't even think before performing actions like this. They think they can escape and forget about it, but eventually they will get fucked over.

Simple. think about it... women don't approach, and they don't make the first move. And "nice" guys don't do those things either. It's not that they don't want a nice guy, it's because those guys aren't doing their duty as men to make the first move.

Don't blame women, and don't blame society either. It's up to you. Men have to make the first move, that's just the way it is... deal with it. Women do what they can to let guys know they're interested through flirting and hanging around them and a whole bunch of stuff, but even with these obvious fucking hints and invitations, those guys are too concerned with the opinions of other people and the psychological protection of their own egos and self esteem to actually act upon them. It's easier for them to hide their interest than it is to deal with rejection, nomatter how slim the chance of that may be.


"Nice" guys are concerned with having everyone like them. They want nothing but nice things said about them, and the resulting behaviour from this is very cautious and misleading. If they like a girl, they hide this and pretend they're happy just being friends. Even if they're confronted they will still deny that they're into her, because rejection is just not an option for them! They will either not reveal their feelings at all, or make sure the girl definately likes them beforehand. Sometimes the girl feels the same way and it all works out (needy and insecure behaviour is overlooked by a lot of girls if they like the guy enough), and sometimes she loses attraction because of it and puts him in the friend zone. Let's assume that she liked him as more than a friend in the first place but changed her mind after a while. This happens for a variety of reasons... she could move on and find someone else, or just stop bothering with him because she couldn't see the point anymore. After a while her interest genuinely decreases and when the guy finally mans up she just doesn't feel the same way anymore and decides it's better to just be friends. That, or she turns him down as a form of egotistical revenge. Strange beings, aren't we?


Like I said, some women overlook this kind of behaviour because they like the guy so much, and are just happy to finally bag him. But, in the majority of cases, such behaviour is seriously detrimental. So what about the so-called assholes? Well, those are the ones that do their duties as men and approach women or make the first move. There are a number of other things at play here... those guys typically exhibit the following types of behaviour:

- Up front and honest, speak their mind (no mind games or fucking around, everything is genuine)
- Unapolagetic (stand by what they say and don't change it to suit other people)
- Willingness to walk away (have other options and aren't needy)
- Don't care what people say or think of them (strong integrity and well grounded, not easily pushed around)

All of those things are very attractive to women, but if you're a typical "nice" guy then none of that applies. You may have plenty of great qualities, but they don't include a single one of those. That's not to say that any of them make you an asshole, but they can certainly give people that impression.

Put yourself in a womans shoes here... you know a couple of really nice guys and you flirt with them, and want to take things further but they won't make the first move. That sucks, but wait it out and you'll probably get somewhere eventually. On the other hand, you're out picking up some stuff one day and a guy comes up to you in the street and starts talking to you - he's attractive and seems like a nice guy, and what's more he actually wants to date you! So, why the hell not? You're not getting anywhere with the guys you know at the minute so you may as well... even if this guy isn't all you hope for he'll sure as hell do until someone better comes along.

See what I'm getting at here? Hopefully some of the girls will be able to relate to this and shed some light, everything I've said here is from looking at the guys and girls I know, and of course talking to them aswell. It's all pretty typical stuff.

I agree with Solomen, Bon Bon, Chiefy too - but his profile picture was giving me nightmares and made me more tired. Some fat dude fucking a hot chick--okay, porn star unidentified. Only a hair chest fat ass would be fucking a chick that good looking.

Anyways, i'm getting tired have to refuel on some caffeine. Land lord is aggrivating me with his damn girlfriend.

Anyways, supposely this chick is coming over here - i know what she wants because why would she send me on my phone a picture of her tits. So, my job is to satify her and make her want more.

Which is another thing - I know I can fuck good, but attracting a girl is harder. I can't just walk up to a girl and tell the stories how I have girls come like crazy. They'll be like okay well that's bullshit. They have to feel it to believe it.

Maybe my mission on Earth isn't to get married and have kids - but satify women sexually. I listen to women during sex by their volumes of the moaning, movement, breathing patterns. So, I know I'm def. good in that area.

I believe the reason why I've became so pissy is because I've finally connected with this girl and it's hard to connect. We connected on everything - I had this feeling she was playing me. I'm not sure she was playing me but she kept on saying she had a trust issue and whatever. So, I blocked her and had her feel the absence of her having our good conversation over AIM. In her blog - i feel she learned from it so I unblocked her. Hopefully she's not pulling any heart strings because I won't talk to her again. This other chick is from my area, so I quickly moved on from that chick to this chick. However, i believe we're just gonna be fuck buddies which is good.

My problem is that when I connect with someone - I start feeling shit. I was gonna tell you guys but then decided I didn't want to.

Also, another thing is that if I can't find anyone else - I get all bonkers kinda. I know sad However, i'm cleaning my place now so it doesn't look like a damn tornado went threw it.

Oh, chiefy - I'm joking about ur avatar - well, kinda disturbing maybe I'm jealous. This chick isn't hot but oh well. The first through that probably seeped in my head is "I could never fuck a chick like that!" I think it's a inner game problem.

That's another thing - if I'm attractive then why do I get the fat and ugly girls? It pisses me off!

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Dude, stop thinking about shit.

I feel like I'm reading a 13 year old kid's Xanga. I mean your cool, I like you, but sometimes thinking with your brain can mess shit up. Think with your penis, you will do better in-field and in clubs.

I have this new policy, seduce women using minimal words. It really takes a load off my chest and it works as a reward system. And when you know a chick wants to fuck you, but you know theres going to be LMR, just tell her your a virgin and you're saving it for someone special. Then she'll really work for your nuts.

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I agreed with your post up until this point. You wouldn't actually do that, right? I make a point of being honest nomatter what, when I was younger and I lied about shit I always got caught out nomatter how small or trivial it was. I just don't see the point anymore, people don't have shit on you if you don't try to hide anything, not to mention they trust you a lot more too. If you lie about something that big and a girl finds out, you're fucked because she'll never trust a damn thing you say ever again.

The very idea of lieing to a girl just to get laid is fucking wrong. The mere fact that you are willing to do this goes against so many things that the community stands for. I know girls who have been lied to in the same manner you're talking about and to be frank, it is not fucking cool. Either be honest or don't bother. If you're going to lie about this stuff then there's no point learning it since it would be more congruent to lie the entire time.

tl;dr: Lieing to girls is not cool. If you have nothing real going on that will attract women then learn french or something. Don't lie.

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