Inspired by a Post by Jsmooth, thanks man!

We are all human, we all have different goals in life. We all have a different purpose (made up by ourselves or by others). But we do have one thing in common, we all think that it is important to be good with girls. We all believe that being able to attract a girl is an important skill.

However, our attitude to "the Game" changes the further we progress. It is like a ladder, some of us start a bit higher and some of us start from the beginning. I would like to tell my perspective on this.
This "ladder" could explain at what level people leave the "Game" (our world). It is my hope that this will help some of us to stick with it until you learn the things that you really need to learn, not only the things you want to learn.

Just to make one thing clear. This is from my perspective, if you do not agree, please tell me, this is close to what I have experienced. And I do not want to say that Im so great and wise and cool, and experienced, get validation and stuff... But I do want to make a difference and encourage people to NOT give up too soon!

AFC: I would say that this is the starting point for most of us. Here we experience a feeling of not being good enough, not understanding girls. We are desperate (in some cases) to get a glimpse of how to even talk to women.
Attitude: Guys with money and looks get all the girls by buying them gifts and being beautiful.
Motivation: To not be a total loser with women.
Quote: Some got it, some dont.
People leave at this point because: Hey they havent even started yet!!!

rAFC: You have read the game, tried out a few routines and maybe got a few phone numbers. We start realizing that there is a way to learn how to become popular with women, maybe it is not only something you are born with.
Attitude: Wow this is great, I can learn a few simple tricks and get all the girls I want.
Motivation: To learn the tricks of the trade.
Quote: I got one-itis, there is this girl...
People leave at this point because: I dont dare to approach, or it feels awkward, its just not me... And I have learned enough.

Somewhere between AFC and PUA: You have started approaching sets and have learned a few canned routines. You win some and you lose some but it still hurts to crash and burn.
Attitude: Wow this is great, this shit actually works.
Motivation: To become the worlds greatest PUA.
Quote: I just thought of this routine, comments please.
People leave at this point because: It is painful to get rejected and I have learned so much already. I have improved and now I dare to talk to women, lets go back to my old life so that I dont have to go out into the field.

PUA (of sorts): You know the canned routines, you know how to use them to build attraction and comfort, you get closes reasonably often.
Attitude: Yeah its weekend, I can go out sarging!
Motivation: To become the worlds greatest PUA.
Quote: Hey, did you guys see the fight outside?
People leave at this point because: Im good, I get it, I understand how it all works now. A2 has to come before A3 because... I dont need to improve further, I get what I want.

PUA: You have seen the matrix. You understand the structure of the game, you can improvise and come up with routines on the spot. You start to relax, this is easy. If Im in a set I know what to do, all girls react in about the same way.
Attitude: Yeah its weekend, I can go out sarging!
Motivation: It varies but most likely to find the perfect gameplan.
Quote: I dont need canned material, just be yourself (your best self).
People leave at this point because: I understand human psychology leading to attraction, I can go natural from here. There is nothing more I can learn from these guys all they do is talk routines and be manipulative bastards.

Somewhere above PUA: You have realized that what you should have started learning is what you spend your time learning now. The secrets of inner game. You still feel comfortable using your routines, the ones that have not been exposed on public television. You also think that Mystery is a threat to the PUA community for exposing us.´You also start to warn people to not make the same mistakes you made.
Attitude: Shit, I never realized how much my game improves with inner game.
Motivation: I need to understand who I am and what I am doing. How can I become a person who is naturally attractive to women without being someone Im not? I need to understand myself.
Quote: I dont really need to close every set I can... I can say no. This is not about sets, this is about me.
People leave at this point because: Normally, people do not leave here but the ones who do... The PUA community is full of people discussing routines and brag about how many girls they have had, it is not morally right.

mPUA (or something like it): Something has changed. You do not think about pick-up 24-7. Following the gamestructure is natural to you. You see the signals and instantly calibrate, react without thinking. You do not even use routines most of the time, you just realize that women finds you attractive more often than not.
Attitude: Hey, guys, its not about building an avatar to pick up women, it is about building a life.
Motivation: I want to help others. I want to understand more and more about the world we live in.
Quote:Hey Jsmooth, Im Ezo, I love your post. (Sorry, just kidding, couldnt resist...) Seriously: It is all about attitude and inner game.
People leave at this point because: The marry the girl of their dreams?

mPUA/PUG: I have absolutely no idea...

I hope this motivates some of you struggling souls to keep learning. every time you get to the next level, you learn so amazingly much more. There is new knowledge even at the higher levels and its just getting better and better. I is gonna blow your minds!

Please people struggling in the difficult phases, keep it up!

Humbly

Ezo

awesome post. even though i wouldnt even come close to considering myself a PUA (more like a rAFC), i'm definitely beginning to see that inner game and attitude are the most important aspects, and i want to develop a natural game more than anything else.

LOL, this you`v just described my current status of mind although I never considered myself as an mPUA. I certainly am not one cause, by this definition, mPUA is somebody who put a hell of a lot effort to learn the structure, the concept, plenty of canned routines, worked hard on inner game etc.

I did read some stuff but I never accepted canned stuff as a part of my game. Cause that simply isn`t me and I would feel wierd to use something somebody else made up and I learned it and said to a girl, like a parrot.

I`v just realised that this great description of mPUA, you made, is almost the same as my definition of very good natural seducer (not all naturals have same amount of succes). The diference is IMO in fact that mPUA spends hell of a lot time in creating an avatar, BEFORE they realise that only path to the ultimate PU success is creating a life.

So IMO, mPUAs and naturals reach the same perfect state of mind and soul but mPUAs looses few years. (or if talented few months) during the process.


Btw, I just got married 4 months ago


Marco

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Yeah... This was one of the points I wanted to make... Fake it until you make it... This is where you make it. You have suddenly become all the things that you pretended to be.

by this definition, mPUA is somebody who put a hell of a lot effort to learn the structure, the concept, plenty of canned routines, worked hard on inner game etc.

Well, no by this definition a mPUA has already understood the structure and does not need the canned routines anymore[/quote]

Yes, but before they understood it, they had to go through long process of becoming mPUA by reading, attending seminars etc.

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Great post Ezoghoul!

I'm what you would call a true natural. I have never used any pick up material to get girls and still very beautiful girls have opened me and I have opened them. I haven't even thinked about who opens who or what to say or do it just goes naturally. I get girls interested, spend time together and if we want start a relationship. Everything goes without any game structures or methods. My question to you now is where would you place naturals that are naturally good with girls? My other question is where would you place the alpha males?

My inner game is mPUA. My "outer" game is PUA (of sorts).

My inner game is solid, unmovable and is not an avatear, but the real, better me. My personal game is everything beyond what I could have imagined. My desire is as much to help others achieve ther desired level as much as it is to sarge myself.

Sometimes, this is to my detriment. I sarge with guys who have AA. Trying to get them past it wastes valuable time I could be spending with very fine women instead of getting and AFC to talk to an HB7 grzing int he club field.

My motivation is not totally benevolent, though. I am working on grooming someone to be my wing.

My only negative inner game issue is that because most of the community is young enough to be my kids, I sometimes feel like the "too old for the club guy" when I go with a guy who needs me to wing to help him identify issues.

My outer game needs to learn to calibrate. My negging is off. I need to DQ before ejecting from a set. I need to adjust my kino. I know the matrix, but don't understand it, yet. Instead of "Fake it till you make it," I "Accept it till I get it."

I close to the level I want regularly. I am never lonely because if i start to feel that, I can go and get someone to keep me company. I still get rejections, but they do not affect my inner game. They only make me wish I could have the time spent back to find another target.

Great Post Ezo! Didn't realize I inspired this one, you'll have to draw my attention to it next time. I would like to add something to around 'PUA' and going up. The ability to teach this stuff to others is what starts to seperate a 'PUA' from a 'mPUA.'

Not to mention as you advance towards mPUA status you are comfortable enough in your own game you look to explore other ways of getting the girl. Maybe you try methods from another guru and even seek them out to learn from them.

Anyways, this is are pretty good definitions.

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