I read your Friends zone post.

And what I'm thinking is to pick up the pace and heat things up a bit. Next week I'ma call her and ask her if she wants to come over to watch some movies and have a crazy massage and makeout session. I think this would be pretty effective and get her excited.

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i just sent her a text saying she should come over and watch movies and make out with me and she "respectfully decline" in which i responded "ok, whatever" and i guess that pretty much saved me a lot of time and effort. guess i didn't dhv enough. lesson learned. i'm going to the mall with this hottie on saturday any suggestions for that?

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I love the attitude

But I doubt you could simplify that to lack of DHVing. I hardly ever use verbal DHV's before closing girls.

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I think you were waaaay too forward with your sexual intention there. I have girls come over to my place and we have sex on the first or second "date", but I don't say anything about making out or anything like that. I'll tell them to come over and we'll hang out and listen to some music and watch movies or play video games, or I'll tell them that I used to be a cook and we'll have a really good dinner.

You made the same mistake as you made before when you asked her if she wanted to kiss you. Don't verbalize those things, just do them. If you verbalize them then something in her brain tells her to stop and that it's wrong, so she'll say 'no'. If you make everything seem innocent and then escalate physically when you're there together and having fun, without actually saying anything about kissing you can progressively move the whole thing forward to the point of sex in a matter of hours.

Take for instance guys that meet a girl and have sex with her in less than 4 hours, some in even less than 45 minutes. You think they say anything about having sex together? If so, then you're wrong. They just keep heating things up and escalating until sex becomes inevitable and then they do it. Even on the point of having sex they won't talk about it because if they bring it up there's a good chance the girl will say 'no' even though without talking about it she knows exactly what's going on.

Hopefully that makes sense and you'll remember this next time. I made a million mistakes and continue to make mistakes, but that's how we learn best as long as you're willing to realise them!

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Good Job man in this case with the already flaky girl you needed to just go for the gusto.

Sure you could have invited her over and wasted 2 or 3 hours building up to towards something but she have ultimately did the same thing as last time and decline.

What Rye Lee said would probably work for a girl who hasn't already declined once before

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I disagree. I think the root of the problem is vocalizing. I never ask a girl if she wants to kiss or have sex, sit on my lap or anything physical, I just DO IT. When I do ask girls I tend to get a negative response the majority of the time and I have observed the same when others ask or say that they're going to do something before doing it. When I don't say anything though I very rarely get rejected and the same goes for other people that I've coached to do the same thing.

Honestly if you stop asking girls before you do something you'll get 10x better results. I don't even ask girls for their phone number, I just open up my add new contact page and hold out my phone to them and I practically never get declined. I might tell them to give me their number occassionally, just like I might tell a girl to kiss me, but I'll never ask if she wants to kiss me or if I can kiss her or anything like that. This practice drastically improved my results with women and I think every guy should do the same thing.

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~ Rye

Rye Lee he gave it as a command it was not stated in the form of a question. he let her know how things were going to go down and that was that.

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But he hadn't even kissed her yet. Telling her that she should come over so they could make out was a completely inappropriate move. Worse, she had declined kissing him, so that's like asking a girl out and after she said she wasn't interested, telling her that she should come over to his place so they could have sex. It doesn't compute.

He messed up. She could have been completely willing to keep moving things forward but because he rushed it and didn't go about things the right way he screwed himself over. Simple as that. I don't see how that isn't obvious.

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Dont get me wrong he screwed up way back then when she first decline the kiss I'm just saying he had nothing to lose by saying what he said in the text.....now he has completely comfirmation for himself its over and done with.

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Sure he did. Like I said, if he'd just invited her over to hang out and watch a movie or something, then it's quite probable that they would have ended up kissing, but by telling her that he just wanted her to come over so they could make out he blew it. It's the exact same mistake he made by asking her to kiss rather than just kissing her.

This is something that everyone can learn from. You shouldn't vocalize your intentions because it's incredibly likely she's say 'no'. If you just go ahead and do what you intend when the opportunity arises though, the odds of her saying 'no' are greatly greatly decreased. If you give a person the option to say 'no' they usually will, if you just do it, they'll usually go along with it.

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~ Rye

I agree with a lot of what you say. Honestly, being that forward is not my style...although I did kinda feel like it was a dead end anyway so I thought I'd just given her a test and see what would happen. But I think that is more of my style...the indirect, direct game. I've had good results in the past, non-verbal communication. I've done that before, been rather forward with girls and it hasn't got me as good of results. I think if anything, this will bring negative feedback and you'll just be more frustrated at women. I'm excited that I feel like my game is escalated and I'm holding myself to higher standards and asking out (and # closing) hot women so I think its gonna be nothing but good reportings in the future...thanks Rye Lee your awesome bro...

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Doing nothing = Getting Nothing.
Doing something = Getting Something.

Everyone clear?

I think the math speaks for itself here. No really, I do.

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