sounds like one-itis man better to get over it, that helps in the long run and at least since shes your friend she can be social proof for you now

it really depends on the specifics of their as well as how long you've known her, and especially if they've known each other not as long... if u've only known her for a few months - a year u can get out of it depending how stupid the guy is and by making her see that while trying to hieghten your value... if yalls known each other for years... highly unlikely you can do it, the only way outta that one is to disappear for a while and then come back as a changed man...

I've had this situation soo many times and I think i know a way around it.
People will be saying to you, you cant get out of it but I think you can.

Her current BF should be getting well paranoid anyways - I dno how old u r but he should be which is kl - if she is hanging out with you consistently as a friend he should be getting pissed so I dno how long I'd give him.

Some dude above talked about ladder theory which I've read a bit about and it makes perfect sense - however, i reckon you can jump ladders -
Make yourself randomly unavailable for a week at a time and then be meet her a few days the next week and keep doing thing sort of thing, kinda like a drug or something - give her lots on week then completely blank her the next week this will change the whole dynamic.

One time a girl who was my friend I blanked her for 2 weeks pretty much (I know I sound like a douce) and met her 1 night which she was now dead keen for, got high and it was easy.

Anyways Peace Man

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What kind of girls place guys into the "friend zone"? I would say no girls do it automatically but the guy does it by not being the very sexual creature he really is by nature. So what I would recommend to you is not to learn Kino escalation but instead change your belief that you can't touch her. I mean girls are by nature very touchy feely creatures that want to have sex as much as we guys do and enjoy it as much as if not even more than we guys do. The only difference is that guys don't think about what her comfort levels are.

I like what V1V said about avoiding comfort material. I asked this question, sort of, a few days ago except for I wanted to keep myself out of LJBF with a new girl that I'm going to be hanging out with more. I think that until you have real IOI's just stick with C&F & DHV'ing. They say that's how you end up in LJBF zone anyway is by skipping attraction phases and just start "getting to know each other" before she wants you already.
Another thought though, if you think about ladder theory, it makes sense to me that one would have to "climb down" the friends ladder before you could start climbing up the lovers ladder. If you just stick with attraction, C&F, DHV's etc and DON'T talk about her problems or your problems or any of that bullshit, you give up the "friendly" conversation & therefore(hopefully) jump off the friends ladder. Then you're ready to start climbing the lovers ladder and once you've got good IOI's I think you're back to the usual "process".
If all else fails, ignore her for a while, she will break up with her boyfriend eventually. She'll call you, but DON'T talk about it and "help" her with that problem, just help her by being awesome, fun & attractive. Don't talk about her breakup, that's LJBF shit 100%.

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nah im gonna have to disagree with the majority here and allude to what a previous poster said about the 'Ladder Theory".

Unless you freeze her out and come back, you're not going to get on the other ladder. Once you start flirting, it's gonna weird her out. I promise you.

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So you prob started seeing this chic and got a LJBF from her early in the game. You like her and want to bang her but you can't because you 1 got put in the friend zone and 2 she has a lame ass BF.

So you have two things holding you back. I would study up on what to do and say when your about to be put in the friend zone. I personally cant be friends with many girls without wanting to fuck them eventually.

One time I was headed to the friend zone and I told the girl "Friends? I got lots of friends. I dont need anymore." That lets her know early on your willing to walk away and you refuse to LJBF. Then you can continue to spit game.

Now let me say this. I have one girl that I can hang out with thats hottie and I wont bang. I put her in the friend cat. We became good friends and today I use her as a wingWOMAN and she a damn good one. So what I would do is move on and use this HB to boost your status when you go out. Do this and you can move on to better woman...ones that you are not wasting your time with and that you can make love to.

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This girl I have been hanging with has a loser boyfriend & the relationship has been on the rocks for a while. We had been hanging out about a month, & I told her how I felt about her .I know she is really into me but torn & not ready to pull the trigger on breaking up, & not ready to jump back into another relationship if she did, which is what she said. She said she wants to keep hanging out as friends & see where that takes us & that there is a chance if I am patient. Which I took as very positive that it could happen & her laying out some groundwork & a path for me to follow.

I played it cool & agreed & said I thought that was the smart thing to do, & that I had to move on while she was gone for xmas & wasn't even sure if I wanted to be more than friends at this point. We went out to eat & get a beer twice just us as friends twice now & had long comfortable rapport, & I have treated her just like I would my best buddy. Very little Kino or talking about us being anything more. Although I did give her some eye gazing just while we were talking that really got a reponse. Lots & lots of IOI's after that.

My question is do you guys think I should play her game a little bit longer & not risk fucking it up, or really turn on the game now. I was thinking ignore her for a while until she calls me & sets something up with her, & then basically go caveman, & turn it on think & speed up the process by giving her something to think about? Only problem is I cut my legs off by telling her I didn't do stuff with girls in relatsionships because I respect relationships. I guess I could ground that with something like what are you doing to me, your to sexy.

I've done it, but never got past a k-close. It's hard and you risk the fact of making your friendship awkward if failed. I wouldn't recommend it, too much effort involved when you could be so much more productive with other girls.

I have to say, I have been in the friend-trap more times than I can count, but I still think the best relationships for long term should start out with someone you can actually be friends with, not just who has mutual attraction with you. I don't think the work involved should be devalued out of hand, it is an investment that can great rewards can be reaped from...

I had some experience in this a while back, i had one-itis over this girl but she'd already given me the LJBF some time ago. I did the typical AFC thing (hadn't heard of game at the time) and chased her, bought her drinks, supplicated waaay too much. After i got into pickup i stopped talking to her for about 2 months and ignored her texts etc.
A while after that i bumped into her in a pub and just gave her an unexcited "hey" as she walked past. She flipped out - "Where the hell have you been? You didn't return my calls! Blah blah blah". I started negging her, acting disinterested and eventually steered the conversation around to sex, telling her "how come you always talk about sex? Are you really that dirty?". It seemed to work like a charm, i just kept on with the negs, teasing her and playing push/pull until eventually i was in the corner of the club with her jacking me off and my hand down her pants. Most important part seemed to be keeping the conversation around sex and fantasies, make her link you with sex and you're halfway there (although i guess this wasn't an f-close but hey, close enough for me!).

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"Are you really that dirty?" Lol...

...That sounds like a direct hit, Vic, keep at her!

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