Here's my problem, I've been gaming for ages, had loads of success and loads of sex. I bet your thinking that's not a problem but to me now it is because the way I did this was being very 'off' with women and in my mind I would automatically switch off everything I liked about them so I came across as quite distant. This style of game worked out really well and so I began to start treating women like new toys and not really caring for them. This isn't me, I'm a really high energy, enthusiastic jokey kinda guy.....

This brings me onto the new me, I stopped diverting all my attention to there bad points and went slightly back to my AFC self. I've started appreciating womens best points and stopped gaming them as such. I'm more 'myself' now and not 'my best self' This has decreased my sexual action but I have alot more girl pals now which I don't really mind.

The route of my problem stems from this girl who goes to this same night class as me. I'm 21, have loads of mates and I'm also very well known - She is 18 has LOADS of friends and is ALOT more well known than me. I've known her for a few years first meeting her out in a chip shop after hitting the town. We got on amazingly there and texted for a bit but she obviously wasn't interested so being AFC nothing materialised. Now in this night class we're getting on like I haven't gotten on with anyone in ages, I neg the hell out of her (it works amazing as you all know) and she reacts by laughing and hitting my arm and all the signs of attraction are there.

Usually I would think, fuck yes! I'm definately in there but this girl is so damn popular. She has thousands of texts from guys, gets on with loads of lads and I know what your thinking shes a slag but she honestly isn't, in fact I think she's a virgin. Like I said in my first paragraph I haven't genuinely liked anyone for ages but this girl is driving me wild. She will text me out the blue and I'll text back something that warrants a reply and she'll just ignore it.

She always says she wants to come the gym with me and when I ask her to she comfirms she wants to and I'll ring her later that night and she makes up some crap excuse. Then the first time I don't ask her to go I arrive at my gym and she's there on her own talking to guess who? YEH ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT LADS IN THERE.

I texted her earlier, she replied and then I sent her something else and she ignored it. I decided to text her again asking her to Nando's on Thursday and she says she can't because she's working. Shall I just give up on the girl before I get obsessed? Thinking about it all really makes me feel even more pathetic. I get the feeling I should go back to my ruthless gaming self but hate not being able to fall for girls.

Help!

1: Take her off the pedestal
2: So what if she's surrounded by guys? You're more interesting than all of them combined
3: IOIs are IOIs, unless the girl is as good with social psychology as a PUA is then I doubt she will be faking them just for kicks (hired guns excluded).

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Your momma's so fat when she walked past the TV she was going to the kitchen to get cake 'cos she's fat.

Where do I go from here?

Also if I don't have her on the pedestal so to speak, she'll just be like every other girl I meet and I'll get bored of her after 2 weeks. I want to actually let my guard down with this one.

If you'll get bored after two weeks what is the point? Call me pessimistic but it seems kinda redundant. Or do you see her as a target to be reached, a trophy?

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Your momma's so fat when she walked past the TV she was going to the kitchen to get cake 'cos she's fat.

If I don't put her on a pedestal then she's the same as all the other females I've been with, I can't get to REALLY like a girl unless I think there special and the only way to make them special is by putting them on a pedestal. It's weird but I'm only going to form a connection with this girl is if I go AFC and let myself go, if you understand me.

Stupid I know.

Well im see where you coming from, but if u put her on the pedestal then, she can and will control you. but since you want to "Appreciate" her for more than 2 weeks just pretend shes nt on the pedestal until you got her for sure! thats my advice.

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Expect the Unexpected!

“If you do not expect the unexpected, you will not find it; for it is hard to be sought out, and difficult”- Heraclitus of Ephesus

i know where your coming from the same shit happend to me until i realized what i was doing. when you feel this "connection" it tends to throw your game off cus you think your in but your not really. this girl prolly makes all the other guys that hit on here feel the same connection. dont be like the rest of them act if theres no connection and let her kno she needs to prove herself. girls that are this popular are different but not nesc. harder just gotta do the same thing youve always been doing. then when you start dating her you can start appreciating her values and shit.

like when she wants to go to the gym with u and she never goes then when you dont ask shes there neg her there next time she asks. you make her laugh which is always good so your on a good path.

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It sounds like you already know that you are attracted to her more so than past women. That being said, in order to attract her and thus be with her, you should still run game as you normally would on any other woman. You can put on on a pedestal but do it in your mind only. Continue to run normal game on her. There is no reason to become an AFC just because you like the girl a lot.

Think of it not as gaming but as genuine attraction. You can use the same techniques to game any girl, but this time you should use what you have learned with your heart behind it.

I find it easier to game a girl that I am genuinely attracted to (other than physically) because things like kino, smiling, and teasing are just things that occur so seamlessly between her and I. It's not about "Oh I should touch her now to make her think about sex" ...it's about "Oh she's so cute I just want to hug her"

Don't be afraid to love somebody.

nice!

A few brilliant posts thanks.

I just need to alpha up slightly and control the situation more. Like what was mentioned here, I'm going to make her qualify herself and be slightly stand offish without seeming overly distances.

Thanks again guys.