First I would talk to her so what if she isent good looking you dont have to sleep with her. Be social the more girls you have around you the higher your social value is. Who knows you might become friends and thats good. I have alot of guy friends and you dont want to bring a girl into a group of mostly guys so its always good to keep a few extra girls around. Heck maybe you can hook up a friend lol.

Secondly I wouldnt practice on a lower HB because they will recact differently than a higher one. A less attractive girl will often settle for less and you might miss things about yourself that need improvement.

Couple of thoughts to add to my previous post:

Typically, men only think about looks and pussy. If you want to pick up WOMEN however, you have to accept that WOMEN think differently. Most of you probably read this concept somewhere but I'm not sure if you're taking advantage of this fact.

Women think differently in regards to men and they also think differently when they compete with each other; they think "looks" first but it doesn't end there. "Emotional computations" spin pretty fast when they begin accessing social situations. "Why is that girl getting more attention than me? Why are ALL the girls in the bar attracted to him? etc . . . "

Too many of us seem to be stuck in the "Where's that hot pussy?" sniff, sniff . . . mode. (Clearly demonstrated through majority of the posts on this thread) Basically, this the philosophy of the AFC who's lost his AA. It's a one dimensional game. You focus on a hot girl, give her your opener, you win or lose and you go home. Boring stuff really . . .

If you can open up sets, go under the radar, and continue bouncing, you can have your pick of the lot. And when opening multi sets, you'd have to build rapport with the mother hen anyways. Often times, she's a 6 or below isn't she? I'll write a full report in the "Field Report" later on but this happened just last week:

I opened up a hb7. She thought highly of her self as an academic smarty pants. So my neg for her was that she was a snob. Her FRIENDS are HB9's and 10's. So while the table is shooting shots and having a blast, I notice the bl hb10 get antsy . . . She's used to getting all the attention. So I have to blow her off more . . . "You take sugar pills? Get ants in your pants?"

Finally, she can't take it any longer so she gets right in my face.

Kasabi: "Woh, woh . . . we're trying to have a conversation here!"

bl hb10 "So what are you talking about, let's chat!"

Kasabi: "Short sell strategies to take advantage of further meltdown in the Asian Markets?" - The look on her face . . . Ouch, it still breaks my heart. I mean, I expected her to come back with some sort of "you're a nerd" type thing but she just blanked out. Now who do you think I'll chat with next?

hahahaha i read that and laughed. u poor poor man

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This is probably the most shallow thread I've ever read! =)

But I know why. It's beacuse it's DLV for PUA's (in the eyes of other PUA's) to game average looking girls. So when people on this forum writes that they always game HB10's it means that they get AA for approaching an HB5! =)

I mostly game HB 6-7 beacuse I feel comfortable at that level. But when I've developed a good natural game, Im gonna push that HB-level higher.

And btw, Im gaming a girl, she's a six BUT, like Mystery say's, beauty is common, but what's really attractive is a POSITIVE ENERGY! (You should probably write that down you shallow bastards)!

Yeah there's a girl in one of my classes who has a HB9 body but maybe an HB6 face. I would have not even hit on her if it werent for her super high radiance of positive energy. It seemed as though she was ALWAYS smiling and having a good time. Of course she was always talking to a few of her friends. Laughing. Everytime we would make eye contact she smiled in a flirty manner. I JUST HAD to go up and talk to her. Turns out she has the hots for me.

Kasabi has the most epic post here, Hb10's are sometimes only good when they have a brain and id say thats a 50-50 shot lol.

Pussy is the center of this whole forum it seems and its very sad.. for example in my classes for uni i have very few good looking girls and in a class of 40 theres 9 females. Anyways im very close to them all and even though they are all Hb4-6 it does build social value when all the guys are following behind and im in the middle with all the girls eyes on me and their all giggling.

Ejecting from this group and sitting down at any 2-3 set of girls in the caf is amazingly easy becaus eby the time i approach they are already wondering whats he got that all those other guys dont....

MAKE FRIENDS GOD DAMN, pussy is all the same anyway jeez

I've been trying to get back into the game after, well, being stoned out of my mind for several years and I just needed to TALK to chicks. Dudes too, especially when girls are close by, at a party or whatever. I especially like hitting on the older ladies that come into my work.

I did have 1 chick the other day at a party, maybe she's a 6, who I was sorta gaming for fun since there was no other HB's at all and she was waaaay into me but I really felt bad because I probably never would even make out with her but WTF, the shit was fun & practice is practice. I even picked up the chick working at the mcdonalds drive thru the other day. I haven't seen her body but her face is really cute so fuck it right. Fricking Macdeezy's drive thru chick LOL. I can't believe I even did that. Thank god she's legal

i have one very good looking guy friend that always homes in on HB 6/7s but never higher and obviously they love him. it's like he's stuck in that zone where minimum effort brings maximum rewards and aiming higher would actually require some work. why risk rejection when there's all these average women willing to eat from your hand?

so, yeh, game the mediocre ones by all means but don't get stuck!

I haven't read the previous posts so I don't know if anyone covered this already but you should never USE anyone for anything. We're all human and we all have feelings which can hurt us.

It sounds as though that girl was attracted to you and playing the game on her would have been a bad thing to do if you were intending to just waste her time for your benefit. In situations like honesty is the best route to take. If it were me, I'd have probably asked in a friendly kind of way, "Hi, am I just being paranoid or have you been following me?" And I would have let the conversation go from there, though I wouldn't lead her on at all unless I changed my mind through conversing with her that, actually I did like her.

It's not all about looks. Perhaps one day an incredible girl will stun you regardless of her looks and you'll fall in love and then you will understand how even the most gorgeous girl can appear vulgar and repulsive to you when you realize that they are horrendous people in terms of personality.

That girl at the mall may have been able to change your life. Believe in love and inner beauty.

I have fun becuase I want to, I run game becuase I want the girl.

Nowadays I NEVER practise, it's not becuase I don't need too, but becuase I AM OPPOSSED to the idea.

I think it's wierd and potentially damaging to your reputation if your in a closed system e.g. constantly approaching but never taking it further.

Also "practise" implies to me that your not comfortable with the real deal, so how do you change our mindset from practise to the real thing.

When you approach just for "practise", where does this end? Are you going to get into a relaionship becuase it's good "practise".

Ditch approaching for practise and learn how to approach with INTENT.

For fucking sure, being well liked is extremely beneficial socially, and it helps me understand my own game more, I don't honestly see why you wouldn't, even if she doesn't meet your standards for an actual gf/hookup, practice makes perfect.

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First of all, let me say I really hate this HB1-10 scale. It is so subjective and so unnatural. My scale is no - yes. If I think a girl is attractive enough that I may sleep with her then I will 'game' her. If a 'maybe' proves to have a good personality then she might fall into the 'yes' category (and visa versa a 'yes' could lose that status by being a complete airhead).

I will definitely have conversations with all different types of women in a social setting. I will not engage in kino escalation or my own brand of 'jerk game' with a no because I don't want stalkers or to let girls think they have a chance when I'm just 'practicing.' It's not about being shallow, it's about being honest.

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Sup, I sometime catch my self gaming almost anything. haha Just cause truck stops rarely have anything above a 5. I do it just for fun. Get them to want my kino then leave. Im evil like that.

I am sorry but that is a bad mind set to have. How are you suppose to get better at picking up girls you actually do want without practicing? And who says you have to close girls you practice on? Even if you do close on them you can cut off communication with them if you don't want them as a friend. Also by practicing on girls you don't want you can run into girls you actually wan to be friends with or network with as they may have hot friends or she can know people that can help you down the road.

1. I didn't say stop sarging, I said sarge becuase you want the girl, not becuase you want the practise.

You want to spend your time running the 5 questions on the WarPigs... fine. But you'll find me with the HB10 who loves painting and snowboarding.

You can get practise, and yes that is a good thing, but if your not their to have a sociable time, but rather solely to learn how to have a sociable time. THAT is a bad mentality to have.

2. What do you mean girls I don't want.....? Value is more than physical attraction, I may not be attracted to a girl, but if she is giving me a good time I could spend all night talkig to her and not bothering elsewhere, friends are great and they have fantastic benefits.

However if your not enjoying yourself and you'll find it hard to be social or to sarge.

When people start talking about setting goals like "use 5 kino routines in one sarge" "open ten sets" "Flirt with 3 girls per day"....

I start thinking "Hang on a minute when are they actually going to sarge her properly instead of just hitting a certain point"

Really.... ...sarging is so much better when you actually have intent I know it's vaguer than other goals but it really will help you.