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The product cost $300, with a free seminar and bonus DVDs. If you don't like it, it can be returned within 90 days for a FULL refund. Thats a long time, and its gonna be amazing stuff. So all you haters can suck it!
Hmmmm. 1 Post and very much a fan. Call me a cynic....
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yeah but he wants $80 a month thereafter.

there is no stipulated end date.

so if you don't hand it back in 90 days within a year you will have paid $80 times 12 is $960.

Or within 5 years - $4,800

If you live another 50 years - $48,000

So basically, you have to buy it and send it back within 90 days, or PUAs will cause the next sub-prime style financial crisis by overburdening themselves with debt.

And it's too good to send back within 90 days! Catch 22!
I did wonder about the $80 p/month part. That along with the fact its not exactly obvious how much the product is. ($97 for 3 months) It's not even obvious if you go to the payment page. They want your address and card details before you can see a bottom line.

As everyone else in the PU world I got the link today about the UNG blog witht he video. Nice disclaimer. He won't release any more copies of this In it's current form so a new box and a quick edit and you can go again in 6 months.

But as he says, he hates Marketing, yet curiously fails to mention he OWNS this site.

As I've said elsewhere. They started out great, but have gone in the wrong direction IMO.

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I did wonder about the $80 p/month part. That along with the fact its not exactly obvious how much the product is. ($97 for 3 months) It's not even obvious if you go to the payment page. They want your address and card details before you can see a bottom line.

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What he said ^

It's easy to compare this to a sub prime mortgage:

-you get a teaser rate for the first while
-it's not clear how much it will cost you in the long run
-it's intensely marketed
-it's very very generous yet somehow very very affordable

When will people ever learn to not buy stuff unless they can pay for it immediately with cash they have, and that if a deal seems too good to be true, then it probably is.

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man I don't give a shit if gambler was selling me re-runs of the sopranos and calling it pua material, I intended to buy the dvd set but the payment options enraged me so much I will not touch this product ever. All I wanted was to give the nice man my money and see what he had to say but he offers it up in dollars (insult enough considering he is english, no offence americans :) ) then he's is chatting about a 3 month payment scheme and shit. I mean for fucks sake all I wanted was to give someone some money in exchange for a product.

I will probably be less filled with rage when I sober up but arghhhhhhhh

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About the whole 80$ thing I was wonderign about that but I think this might be referring to this ?
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I Also Understand That I Get Free Access for 60 Days To Your "Master Pick-Up Artist University" Monthly Coaching Club.

I realize that "Master Pick-Up Artist University" club has never been offered to the public before. Each month I get 4 packed-to-the brim DVD's that teach me the most cutting edge PUA strategies that take my game to the next level. As part of my 60 day free access period I will get 8 FREE DVD's. If after that time I choose to renew at the charter rate, it is only $77 a month to continue. If I don't want to continue, that's cool too. No pressure at all.
To me it seems you can cancel the recurring "membership" any time.
I might be incredibly wrong though.


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I did wonder about the $80 p/month part. That along with the fact its not exactly obvious how much the product is. ($97 for 3 months) It's not even obvious if you go to the payment page. They want your address and card details before you can see a bottom line.
What he said ^

It's easy to compare this to a sub prime mortgage:

-you get a teaser rate for the first while
-it's not clear how much it will cost you in the long run
-it's intensely marketed
-it's very very generous yet somehow very very affordable

When will people ever learn to not buy stuff unless they can pay for it immediately with cash they have, and that if a deal seems too good to be true, then it probably is.
Well done. You took what I wrote. Then bulked it out, rehashed it and repeated it. You could set up a PUA teaching company on the basis of that skill. :wink: :lol:

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I did wonder about the $80 p/month part. That along with the fact its not exactly obvious how much the product is. ($97 for 3 months) It's not even obvious if you go to the payment page. They want your address and card details before you can see a bottom line.
What he said ^

It's easy to compare this to a sub prime mortgage:

-you get a teaser rate for the first while
-it's not clear how much it will cost you in the long run
-it's intensely marketed
-it's very very generous yet somehow very very affordable

When will people ever learn to not buy stuff unless they can pay for it immediately with cash they have, and that if a deal seems too good to be true, then it probably is.
Well done. You took what I wrote. Then bulked it out, rehashed it and repeated it. You could set up a PUA teaching company on the basis of that skill. :wink: :lol:
And if you priced it in non-American Dollars, Jaybot would pay for it. :P

Seriously, some people are just willing to buy the next thing with the promise that it will get the women they want, without effort. Sometimes, the marketing won't promise that. The buyer will just read that into it.

The guys I am helping, I tell them to pick a format that works for them, and work it to exhaustion. A basic plan, with lots of field work will develop any guy into the format that works for them.

Some of the guys I am working with will never progress, but almost without fail, it is because the desire to learn how to meet women is not strong enough to pvercome their hesitations.

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Hey Guys,

I didn't want to reply to this thread when the DVDs were still available in case people thought it was marketing. I wanted to give more transparency to the whole release and generally how I like to do things.

1. Pricing...Everyone who guessed a price for the DVD set guessed higher than the actual price. We could definitely have priced it higher and made more money. I decide the price of everything we do based on what I think people can comfortably afford, not what we can squeeze out of people. Our bootcamps are the cheapest even though we spend the most on delivering them (all trainers are PAID not free workers, we give 1on1 time with Ollie and Kezia, we pay for 6 HBs to come in). Annihilation Method was $3600 and I think that is disgusting. 18 DVDs for $300 is less than $20 per disc. Each disc is FULL and not 40 mins. I hope people would agree that that is fair.

2. The payment plan is not a trick. Again, I would much rather have collected the money up-front, but it was asked for by everyone (the same guys guessing the price!) leading up to the launch. I wanted to offer an option to pay all at once but we developed a custom shopping cart and this functionality wasn't ready in time.

3. The continuity product is in there but is not compulsory and can be cancelled very simply - there are no hoops to jump through. As it stands, the subscription product I think is excellent and again priced at a reasonable $20 per disc. The content on these features me, Adam, Matt, teaching everything we know.

4. In terms of releasing this product in the first place. PUATraining have a following. Whether you are someone who likes our stuff or not, you can recognise that there are many people who would like to watch us on DVD. I have received emails asking about a DVD for the past 2 years. It's our first DVD and we are not releasing one a month and scraping the barrel to put together the content.

5. My view on money and the community...YES there are way too many product launches, and yes a lot of the stuff is rubbish. I will only release something if I think it is something valuable and worthwhile. If this was all about money for me, i'd do things a lot differently and actually I wouldn't be in this business at all because in the past 3 years, i've made less money than I was making in the 7 before that (yes even when I was 18).

Since the release of the home study course, i've done 2 major revisions, and added a free audio version, all of which could have meant "re-launches" and price rises. I do these things just because I wouldn't be able to sleep easy at night if I didn't think people liked our stuff.

That's how it is from my side. I'm the boss of a seduction company. Although we are a business in the sense that we have an office and charge people money, what I ask myself is whether people are better off for reading my book, buying our products, or doing our live events. The overwhelming answer for me is yes. I'm glad Neil Strauss wrote The Game and helped me get started in changing my life. I hope I can have the same impact on guys that find our stuff first. Not everyone in business is bad or has bad intentions. If you have any genuine questions along the lines of stuff discussed in the thread (from the business to whether I think you can learn natural game (hint - I learnt it so you can guess my viewpoint!), to whether we just teach mystery method) and want to direct them at me, i'm all ears!

If you want to get to know me a little better, and see the girls I get, add me on Facebook: http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Richar ... 1051139103


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This is awesome. Got some great stuff in it.

I would recommend it, but it's all off the shelves (for now)!!!!


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https://www.buyultimatenaturalgame.com/shop/

It say's there are 11 boxsets left, Is this for real or just an error?


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The product cost $300, with a free seminar and bonus DVDs. If you don't like it, it can be returned within 90 days for a FULL refund. Thats a long time, and its gonna be amazing stuff. So all you haters can suck it!
Lol, chill dude. Youre gonna make us think youre part of the scam!

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Its still a great product. In the first dvd I improved dramatically. I was pretty good before and didnt think I could get much better... Guess not.


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Hey guys,

I just really sat down and started watching these last night. I made it through the entire first DVD after work. I was extremely impressed with the amount of content offered and also the quality of the videos. I was so taken back I actually wrote a blog post about it to get good press out there for this product.

I'm not even in the field anymore being in my LTR but I want to always get the best information I can to my blog readers and my students so I try to check these things out.

I've reviewed a lot of stuff from Mystery, Mehow, David DeAngelo, and others. This has got to be one of the absolute best quality DVDs and has some great content. I know I'm just scratching the surface on these so far, but it started out great!

Regardless of how Gambler or other guru's choose to sell and market their products this is quality. If anyone has tried a structured system and wants more to spice into their game then check this out.

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Ive watched all 10 dvds and I really liked it. Some dvds werent
as good as others of course, but overall it is a really good set.
Lots of information... stuff you might of heard before, BUT also
a lot that you havent. I would recommend this product to anyone
new or expierenced.


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defintly the best product out there, i got my natural game univeristy one as well which came last week, the talks with the HB's are brilliant!

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