Im asking nicely guys, I posted this in a nice way, so i really dont need insulting, or criticizing comments, just your opinions..

In a word. YES. These people are trying to get rich off of us. The thing is that as AFCAdam has mentioned. The "gurus" don't really analyse WHY people don't improve. Just invent a sticking point for you then sell you a product to "cure" that. And so on , and so on.

This "super limited supply" (marketing BS!) 10 dvd box set is, as you say nothing super revolutionary or new. (Hell, Gambler uses the Mystery Method model but claims its Natural Game FFS!)

Men and Women are DESIGNED to meet, attract each other and mate. That's just evolution at work. It's all just BS to shift products to people that are either new to the community (welcome aboard) or that feel they need to spend thousands of dollars to get good.

Completely missing the point that you don''t need to know every little detail to get a girl to give you her number, or into bed or even into a LTR.

What you need to do is get out there and find then do what works for you, then refine and refine and refine. But the various less scrupulous companies, brain wash you into thinking spend more-get good!

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Yes in the end they are businessmen.. and not 100% of what they tell you will work for you, and for the most part alot of these new guys "methods" are just mysterys with slight alterations anyway. I like watching the DVD's and they are interesting.. but now that Ive got a good grasp on most of it i dont expect to see another DVD that will give me a real "aha!" moment again and re revolutionise my game. what it needs now is just practice and time.

i listened in on Ultimate Natural Game and its sounds soooo extremely fake its not even funny anymore

oh, yea? what was some of the context you heard?

we ALL use marketing tactics to get our message out. Me, Cory, Adam, everyone.

Question is... is that message worth getting out?

Listen, learn what you can, decide for yourself. And remember... NO ONE has the one answer for everyone. What works for me may not work for you. What works for Cory may not work for you. What works for Adam mmay not work for you. But we can share our experience and the lessons we have learned, and the things we do to make the changes we've made, as artfully and as clearly as our talents will allow.

You are the only judge of effectiveness that matters.

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ye ive got to agree, everything now seems to be mostly about profit. the mPUA's even have their owm forum that you have to pay to use, there's no free help from the best.

it is extremely well marketed, you have to hand it to them.

Gambler is a former stocks trader and so am I. so he will know as well as I do that it all depends on the pricing.

they are limiting to 1,000 copies. so if they charge $3000 for it that's $3 million in six hours time. You'd have to be stupid or desperate to pay that.

however given that you get a training course in the package (costs £549) and it's a home study course (usually these are say £200), if they charge £749 (or just over $1000) for it then it's no better no worse value than anything else out there.

IMO it all depends on the asking price. If it's circa $1000-$1500 then ok. If it's less than $1000 then it's actually good value and a bargain. Anything over $2000 and these boys are trying to make a quick kill.

There's also the fact that it will appear second hand on ebay within a few months and that pirate copies and downloads will be available almost instantly. The limited quantity is a big bonus: if you buy the set, you can learn it and then sell it on for 70% of the original price on ebay. Original copies in good condition will hold their value well due to the limited supply. So in the long run it costs you 30% of the asking price.

Do the maths people!

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Here you go:
www.gunwitch.com

Your welcome.

And, yes... you might as well call Gunwitch "the best" if you're talking about the most bullshit-free straightforward method of getting laid.

Do "limited supply" products actually retain their value? I mean, as soon as they hit the open market, it becomes rather easy to acquire them through "other" means anyway. I imagine that that would drive the price down.

Let's see, Annihilation originally sold for $3,800 or so (and I saw it, and I wouldn't pay a tenth of that for it). It's not on Ebay, as far as I can tell. Anyone know where to get one *legally*?

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I really don't like Cory Skyy. All he really talks about is trying to boost your self esteem and emulate yourself a high self-worth. I'd rather hear tactics like with RSD or Paul Jenka

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The product cost $300, with a free seminar and bonus DVDs. If you don't like it, it can be returned within 90 days for a FULL refund. Thats a long time, and its gonna be amazing stuff. So all you haters can suck it!

yeah but he wants $80 a month thereafter.

there is no stipulated end date.

so if you don't hand it back in 90 days within a year you will have paid $80 times 12 is $960.

Or within 5 years - $4,800

If you live another 50 years - $48,000

So basically, you have to buy it and send it back within 90 days, or PUAs will cause the next sub-prime style financial crisis by overburdening themselves with debt.

And it's too good to send back within 90 days! Catch 22!

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The whole thing seems to me like an oxymoron.

You can't "learn" natural game from guys teaching natural game. I'm convinced of this.

This has nothing to do with the lack of ability of teachers but more to do with the lack of ability of students. 99% of posters here are all about "formulas". I am at this and that stage now. What should I do now? What should I do tomorrow?

Guys, pay attention in school and concentrate on your liberal arts courses. Your English teacher truly is your best friend . . .