you have a few choices in a club

1. get her to a quiet place in the club where you can actually talk (rare)
2. DANCE with her, get a connection, and you wont have to do much gaming afterwards (best bet in a club)
3. OR dont sarge in clubs. sarge in more social bars (best bet overall)

thats it, those are your only options. all this leaning in stuff is bullshit because if you go into any typical club its too loud to have a convo no matter what. you can only exchange a few loud words every once in a while

i dont agree... you can sarge girls in loud clubs and you can have convo's on the spot.... even naturals do it... thats the proof...

you just need high value so girls are willing to invest in talking to you (lean into you etc)....

most guys get fed up with club game because they dont know how to show off high value.

you cant open if you lowered your value.... (walking towards a girl can even be lowering your value, standing alone / not having fun for a few minutes is lowering your value etc...)
everything a movie star (high value guy) wouldnt need to do in a club (or wouldnt happen to him in a club) is basically what you also shouldnt do (shouldnt happen to you)

club game is a value game.

you look for the hottest body, girls look for the highest value

if a hot body opens you, you are willing to lean in to her to talk to her
if a high value guy opens a girl, she is willing to lean in to him to talk to him

if an UG opens you, you blow her off, even if she has great routines/convo
if a low value guy opens a girl, she blows him off, even if he has great routines/convo

so think again please!!!

nope...sorry dude but ur wrong. if its too loud, ITS TOO LOUD. being a "natural" aint gonna help. ur delusional

I was at a club today. The music was so loud and there were too many dudes surrounding girls. A horrible place if you ask me. I tried strutting my stuff on the dance floor but it was so packed I couldn't move much and kept getting pushed around.

Now this is a big difference from my other experience. I had girls dancing around me which I guess made it easier for me. This time around I was surrounded by guys. Honestly, club game's almost impossible in that situation. Every single girl's surrounded by like 10 guys which is ridiculous. No girl I tried dancing with would comply. Club game's a lot more difficult than I thought.

Jaybot brings up a great point! At the bar, women are typically separated from their friends, they are standing there quietly (and bored), and they might be standing there for a while waiting for the bartender. So it is a great time to talk to a girl that sqeezes in beside you...or you can squeeze in beside her.

At clubs and bars the competition is higher and the bitch shields are up. So you are going to have to stand out from the 10 guys that have already hit on her. Start with a smile. When girls look at a guy guy and the guy doesn't smile, we assume they don't find us attractive. Plus, smiling is attractive.

You can just say "hi, my name is _______." With that opener, she will judge you a bit more based on your looks, because that is all she really has to go on.

One time I was at the bar and it was taking forever bc the bartender wasn't coming down to my end. The guy beside me looked at me and we started talking about how ridiculous the wait was. Then he siggested a challgene to see who could get the bartenders attentiont first. Loser pays for the drinks. Don't go easy on her....this is a challenge!

Also, you can start off by dancing with the girl. After a few songs tell her to get a drink with you and take a rest. She has already invested time with you and build some sexual attraction through dancing.

Wow . . . I can't help but smile when I'm in front of an attractive girl but I never thought that about how a girl views a guy's smile, to view herself. It makes perfect sense.
This and "What's up?" . . . "Hi, how are you.", etc . . . are the retail industry's equivalent of "Can I help you?" (Ask yourselves how you answered this question the last 10 times you heard this)

Opening with cans (especially in clubs) is like telling them, "I just read a book and this is my first time ever talking to a girl." OR "I am really, really, really uncreative and when I see you, all I see is a cardboard box because I sure hell can't think of one thing to say to you."
Crowded bars are really one of the best places to open. Girls need attention but more importantly, they need to be seen receiving attention. But what happens at crowded bars? They're asking for attention but they're not receiving it. . . Hey, HOT girls always get served right?

No matter how long the wait is though, I just never complain or whine ever. Girls complain and whine enough as it is and then you add the wussy guys into the mix and it can turn into a regular daytime soap opera.

I usually go for something more like, "Oh, look how cute and nice you are . . . no wonder you can't get the bartender's attention . . . " So many different ways to go from here . . .

Girls say things sometimes that aren't really meant to be a complaint. It is really just because it makes it better than an awkward silence. So instead of just standing there they may say "wow this is taking long." Yeah it is taking long, but they might not really care that much.

It is just a converstaion neutralizer. It is just like how we say "sorry" when we aren't really sorry. Example: "Oh you are breaking up, I can't hear you."....."Oh sorry, can you hear me now?" No you aren't really sorry. Nothing to be sorry for, but it neutralizes the convo just like a "complaint" does. It is still a way to open and better than saying nothing.

Girls and wussy guys are hardwired from childhood to complain and whine because it gets results. With cute girls, complaining works quite well.

"Oh . . .my nails! I just chipped . . . . Oh . . well, thank you for opening the car door . . ."
No, no it really is NOT better than an awkward silence. Silence is neutral. Nothing has been said. There are a billion different things one can choose to say. You can say something that could add a nickel of positivity to the World. But because many are hardwired(they just F'ing doing it without a thought) to complain, they just do it. Words don't simply fill a void. Words carry weight. There is an effect and reaction to words.

Girls tend to do this more than guys because while growing up, the pouty little girl does seem to get coddled a lot. Wussy guys . . . well, what is up with them? I just laugh when I see one go, "Oh . . . no . . . this line is soooo long! My God!" (Come on . . . you know gay guys do this a lot but it's cool because they're gay. Girls do this a lot but that's OK because they're girls. What's up with straight guys that whine like little girls?)

Then after wussy guys do a round of this whining thing and they don't want to shoulder any responsibility for pissing anybody off (if it does) they fall back to their "go to" excuse.
(Yes, the important thing to remember here is that GIRLS say things sometimes . . .)
As a guy, if you're dealing with a girl with strong maternal instincts and incestuous fantasies . . . it might work. Otherwise, in terms of social skills, it is NEVER better to whine and complain than to say nothing. I understand the "I'm a sensitive guy" route but even the whiniest of whiners don't like hanging out with other whiners. They want somebody to be able to take their whining and complaints and redirect it to help them either get what they want or to help them shut their own mouthes because they can't do it for themselves.

I can do this for vagina but wussy guys only get a chuckle from me.

I think you should take the chip off your shoulder

Well, you probably know exactly what I'm talking about but a lifetime of whining is a tough habit to break. . . but you're a girl, why would you want to break this habit anyways? It's an attention getter for sure.

For you young guys . . . this is something to really think about. I've never met a guy who was successful in anything in life who was a complainer or a whiner. . .

I'm with kasabi here...don't whine or complain to a chick if you can help it. Go ahead and comment on the situation, but make it something positive/funny/anything but complaining. Even if you share the same complaint.

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Whats up bro, figured I'd drop by your latest thread and say hey! I'll Pm you tomorrow, I have a couple good stories to tell you! See Ya

Wow, there is a lot of weird stuff going on in this thread.

To keep it simple I'll say this:

Use the loud music to your advantage.

You don't need to talk as much in the club environment. It's more about body language, eye contact and MOST IMPORTANTLY PHYSICALITY!!!

Get physical with these girls, right off the bat!

Here's an article on it that I wrote about getting physical right away.

http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=12793

ENJOY!

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