Yeah i feel you on the whole REDHEAD thing man. LOL

watermelon, what inner game stuff have you read, and also how old are you?

I haven't got a car and never will, you should start hitchhiking the people you meet are amazing. As for trying to sleep with a girl if you both live with people, it is a good thing it adds an element of danger, especially if you are on the couch in the lounge

Also as a firm believer in shoestring game, money means virtually nothing. It is all to do with attitude, me and my friends have gone out with guys who are wearing a single item of clothing which costs more than all our outfits put together. Is this a DLV hell no, I'm honest and proud, yes I am broke and yes I can barely afford to eat at times but I would rather be broke and ambitious than rich and content.


I just read a little more of this thread and if the rich vs poor debate is still happening when I get back to my place (on the 2nd) I will prove it doesn't make a difference.

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Well I'm too in the whole inner thing, but saying that money or a car don't almost mean shit . - thats not true,
with confidence, competence and inner game you can only get this far. But when you actually don't have enough money to get into a club, or when you cant afford to pay for both but not even for yourself than money is a problem. Been through this faze . And got out of it getting a good job.

Think about it this way - that you are pore is a DLV, because someone successful with a really good game wouldn't be in this situation for long.
Ok, maybe if you're a artist ore something the situation could be different.
Not that you have to spend on her, but spending with generosity and just doing it sometimes and being cool about it is a huge turn on.

And about the car, you can say whatever you want it's a SUPER BIG PLUS, it makes it possible to get your girls safe home and the possibility to get to any location you want a picnic a walk on the beech or any other romantic location, its not all the game, but if you're good with the game and you have a car it makes much bigger things possible.

Oh but it is not really important about the price of the car, if you search you can get an old not so expansive car with style, I drive an old Porsche, I wasn't really so expensive, got it for a bargain, and believe me it really catches not less eye's than a new Lexus, BMW or MCB.

My thoughts about this topic!

Have a nice and car rich 2009 !!!

I forgot to mention.
If you would ask me about the important things you should have to be really successful, they would be after their importance :
1.Inner game
2.A little bit of money
3. Your own location
4. A Car

i havent had a car since january of this year. its back home in ny. i have pretty good luck with girls picking ME up lol

10k watches, 2009 mercs, armani suits... What a load of bullshit. EXPENSIVE DOES NOT EQUAL STYLISH. Style is the way you walk, your posture, the way you speak. I'm not saying you should go sarging in your birthday suit but get some sense. If anyone thinks that they need expensive gear to be attractive theres something seriously wrong.

I see a guy driving a Ferrari, I can't help but laugh because I know that it's probably automatic and he can't drive. I give "amogs" who drive an SUV shit about overcompensation. My point is that you can have the biggest most expensive material accessory, but if you don't have the style and personality to match your nothing.

And Rolex? They make the ugliest chunks of metal I've ever seen.

Personally I dress completely retro, 70's an 80's. Suede and leather jackets, a kickass haircut, Levi 501's, designer sneakers, handmade boots, ray ban wayfarers etc.

I can put together a complete outfit, including shoes, belt, haircut etc. for under $150, and turn heads and attract women wherever I go.

Don't hide behind brands and props, any chump can do that. Create an individual identity, and pull people into your own reality.




As for the car, get a 1980's or 90's beamer. 5 grand, put some nice wheels on and your never going out of style. Plus your not going to lose $100,000 in depreciation from your 09 luxury car in the first year.

Well said and you gave a quality recommendation for the guy's ride. E34 5 series is the way to go. One of the best handling lines of cars ever made, and very classy.

Yup I got flake for wearing a cheap watch ($80 watch). But the watch suited my style just fine hence the reason I bought it.
So true. But a lot people people don't seem to get this.
Ya someone that shares the same view as me on Rolex.
Most luxury cars do not loose their value that quickly or that much. As far as getting an old BMW, besides finding one with low miles and in a stick (if you like to have fun with your car like I do ) the cost of repair and parts will be high as it is a luxury car. And depending on what needs to be fix or repaired you may be better off getting an old Honda civic and modding the car from the inside out as it may be cheaper to do.

Well, not really pickup inner game stuff, but I watched Sean Stephenson and his inner game talk, and in his situation I think he has proven himself. I think my inner game is good but on a different level. You see most inner game books focus on how average joes can become more confident. Understand, I am super confident in myself, but I also have super high ambitions and that is what seperates me from others. I actually like books like Robert Green - Laws of Power, Art of War, there are great tips for manipulating people and making them do what you want. Recently started listening to Robert Green - Art of Seduction. I'm 21.
That is mostly the reason why I need one.
Congradulations, you are lucky to get good genes and look handsome apparently. Not that I don't lol, but my facial features are not that perfect, and nor are teeth (have a small gap). Another reason why I need to get a lot of $$$, want that Hollywood smile.
Well, I already have a great posture and although I have mediocre clothes, they fit together perfectly and my sense of style is very good. But what will happen, when I do get access to all the expensive stuff eh
Yeah, and why can't he drive an automatic ferrari? I like automatic cars more than mechanic, because it's easier to drive them, and in car it's most important to have great saloon interior and great exterior. The horsepowers do not mean anything as I am not one of those teens that think "omg I'm gonna drift and drag bl abla bla" I think that's childish and not stylish. When you drive with an expensive car, you have to drive smooth and clean..or have a personal driver
I ment any watch but it must be from Rolex class. Don't take everything I say word for word.

I'm not sure as to what you want from the community to be honest. Some of the most experienced guys here have told you that material stuff is NOT important. I've given you a recommendation for a car that would suit your needs perfectly and you can afford; but you choose to disagree and tell us why you're going to get an automatic Ferrari with a personal driver instead? We've given you advice on how best to solve the problem at hand, if you're simply going to argue unrealistically against it then this thread is done.
No worries.

C'mon even Mystery says how important it is to own a car. And that you should get one.

About branded stuff. You can't buy a feeling for style wearing branded things but if you can combine them with a feeling for style so that you don't look like a cock-showoff they work as a huge DHV, you are showing immediately not only wealth but a good feeling for style.

Think about it this way if there were two guys both are twins both have superb inner game but one of them is poor but the other guy is wealthy, who do you think she would choose

The material things get important when you are choosing a type of girl you are interested in, if you are interested in getting a celebrity or a known very successful woman, there will be things that you will have to poses . Maybe not for a one night stand, but diffidently for a relationship to work.

And yet you state above that your super confident. Confident people are more secure in the way their body looks and accepts the little flaws that are there. You on the other hand come off as cocky to me and that you are over compensating for a lack of something due to your want/need to have high end material things around you so that in turn you feel better about your self. There is nothing wrong with wanting to feel good about your self but do you think the people that own the high end material items are truly happy?

You may think your life will be better off with higher end stuff. But truth be told it will most likely not. You be primary attracting gold diggers and for the most part be living in a materialistic world. Is this something you want for your self?

Lets see assuming you go to the same places you game now, you will see an increase of attention from girls with a certain amount with dollar signs in their eyes. Your will find it a tad easier to pick up women as well. Now if you also upgraded to where you pick up girls along with your more expensive look You will really not see any difference at all.
Uh then why do you want a some 500hp sports car then? You say that your not one of those horsepower teens and yet you want a car that is built for speed. If you want a car that expensive then get a Rolls Royce Phantom (a car where you have someone drive you). Or a Bentley, or a Mercedes Maybach . Not a freaking Ferrari. Ferrari's are made for speed and speed alone. They are not made to be driven smooth. The other three car companies I just list are made to drive smooth.
Why?

I am confident, but that doesn't mean I can't improve myself.
No, no no. I will act as if I am not rich and get the girl to like me for who I am and only then reveal I am rich
No, no, I want a Bentley, RR, Cadillac Escalade or Hummer H1 to be modest. None of that racer crap. I don't like Ferarris, I just said I see no problem a guy driving a ferarri if he can afford it and it makes him feel good.

The thing is when you haven't achieved much in your life, PEOPLE WON'T LISTEN TO YOU. Even if I say it's true, sometimes I hear - but why should I listen to you talking about life meaning and stuff...you aren't millionaire or anything. Or sometimes my close ones say - Well, you talk too smart for, you still haven't reached that age when you could instruct us...and similar stuff

The thing is - If I was a millionaire and then told exactly the same thing...everybody would listen to me, because they would see I have achieved great heights with my lifestyle. And that would also prove to myself that my attitude to life has been CORRECT, however if would end up living in a trailer park, that would mean I have failed and had wrong attitude and was WRONG all along. And that would SUCK! Also, I told my best friend by the age of 30 I will be rich and have a lots of beautiful gilfriends. It will be a satisfaction to tell him "SEE! I TOLD YOU I WILL DO IT", I've also talked a lot in my family about what I want to achieve, and I don't want to ruin their hopes....

Hey Watermelon. How did your last approach go?

As "The Hatter" says, people are giving you advice and all you're fixated on is getting expensive luxury items. And labelling it as "Inner Game".

IT IS NOT! It's that you have AA and not having the stones to discover that, actually, a sizeable proportion of the worlds women don't actually want a rich guy with no personality. But would date and even marry a poor guy with a personality.

As for "Racer stuff" I'd buy a super car tomorrow if I had the money. But it would be because I love fast cars and motorsport, not to impress girls. In fact I can remember a girl asking me what car I drive. She was a dipshit who was only interested in wealth and status. I didn't even bother to close her despite being a HB7!* Why would I want her in my life? Same as another girl who asked was only interested in getting an branded handbag. Shallow people are not what i'm doing this to meet.

*(true scale not "newbie" scale where every girl is a HB15! )

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