Go out and make about 5 or 6 hot girls your friend. Don't game them, just take them to the places your friends are hanging out. If your friends want to be introduced just tell them you thought they considered your shit pathetic. It's a real eye opener. Success is convincing.

The problem with many friends and family is they don't want you to change. They are afraid you'll leave them behind, or you won't care for them anymore. They also won't be able to push your buttons, and manipulate you the same way they are used to.

That's why it's recommended, no matter what you do, you surround yourself with people who are better at the skill you're trying to improve if you can.
Yeah, it helps pay things like bills, but he's got a real point. If you want to really learn something try to teach it to someone else.

What a wake up call! This past Labor Day weekend I spent three hours trying to get four total geeks to meet new people at a convention where more than half the people there were wearing costumes. Getting photographed and taking pictures of others is one of the main points of the convention, and these guys couldn't just walk up and ask to take a person's picture. It took me three hours to convince them that by putting on a costume they were begging to be photographed. The only payback I got was they stopped following me everywhere, but don't get me wrong it was way worth it. Yeah, I'm a big geek too.

I don't know if I could teach in the real world, but it's an interesting thought. I don't know of anyone even near my neck of the woods doing something similar.

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"You're only as young as the women you feel."
"I am the Master of my unspoken words, and the Slave to those words that should have remained unsaid."

how very Joker of you.

don't think of it as free. think of it as a way to build business. the only reason my business exists is because i did the opposite of everyone else and gave a ton of stuff away for "free."

don't let conventional thinking stop you.

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"War is not the answer. Love is."

Well, first you have to *have* friends :P Don't get me wrong, I have people I say hi to and sometimes do things with, but friends? No. But then, that's secondary to your main point, which I agree with. Attempting to teach some skill is one of the better ways to learn that skill.

I also agree with you that most of the guru taught stuff is worthless, and I've always wanted to see how someone does who just goes out and forces themselves to talk with people and be social for, say, 6 months compared to how someone who studies pua does. My theory is that it'll be about the same, if not better.

As for your thread-title-question...I'm not going to teach this because I don't fell that I'm good enough to teach yet. Yes it's entirely subjective, no you're not going to change my mind. Of course I'll still offer little tips to certain people, when it's something I know well.

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Which you can't reveal to the years of youth
Except to say it isn't worth a dime

Having sex with a condom on is like sticking your dick in mashed potatoes.

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I'm addicted to facing my fears.

which is argument numbers 1-100 why dating one chick rules. if you are just hooking up without wrapping up, you will end up with an STD (done it) and you will end up knocking someone up (done it too).

not good times. no bueno.

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"War is not the answer. Love is."

hmm. i agree, find some girls and then let them think that. or just don't call it a game. you'd be surprised how many people will take advice if it's given gently. and if you give a tip here and there, people will start figuring out that you know your stuff => business!

or, just have fun with it.

props to you, sean. awesome post. teaching=learning all over again.

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I see what you are getting at here, but I don't think pick up can be compared to driving an F1.

The thing is, we are all born FUCKING machines... We came from a pedigree of thousands of generations of sex machines, I guarantee none of our parents were virgins... right??

So you have all the tools needed to succeed, you just need to figure out what are the right tools.

How do you discover this? IN FIELD...

I've had clients who have never approached anyone in their life, with no exposure to the community at all, having one night stands by the end of the weekend.

It's just a matter of getting out there and realizing how easy it is. Not building up endless excuses not to approach, not to escalate, not to put your balls on the line...


Back to topic: I agree, teaching is one of the best ways to reinforce your own positive mindsets and theories. If you find something that works, and teach it to others and it works for them, it just makes those beliefs that much stronger in your own head.

My game has gotten dramatically better with teaching.

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Hey Sean Messenger certified us! Great, Im gonna use that!

Well, actually I am.

My peoblem is that I can not find any people who would get it. One problem is living in a country where the majority does not speak english...

Sup guys, I was wondering how do I get it through to my friends that this stuff is real and works. I go out with them and get girls right infront of them but they still dont think its what im studying. Ive always been ok with wemon but now im slowly stepping it up a level. Any ideas how to get them to listen?

Sean.... To tell you the truth man, Ive spent 9 months reading, talking, thinking all about how to talk to women. But now, from the past month I've noticed I just need to practice, I can be the best, and will be the best.


But....alas, my age defies me.


I can't find a place to sarge besides the movies and the mall...and those are all 8th graders =(


So.... I meet a few girls, scare them away by being too mature, knowing too much about women and sex.

A loop of despair...


Fucking need a teen club in my town.


Though, back to your post, once you see its all in the field and not routines, you finally started your journey. xD


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-Gay

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Holy shit, I just read Brad-'s post and its fucking exactly the same as mine.



Scary.


xD

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I don`t teach cause I have so many other activities in life which builds me as a person who is becoming day by day more succesfull in every area of life (like Ezo would say "creating a life, not avatar), business career, sports, socialising etc.

I am not so self centered though, I do help my friends to become better with girls, I just give them advices what to do and how to do it better. I do it in everday life, in everday sitautions so they don`t even take that as a lessons from some coach, but as an advices from a friend who "is good with girls".


Anyway, I don`t say that teaching won`t help the teacher also, but i AM saying that going out with a good PUA and being a wing when he operates and emulating what you see will gain you even more knowledge.

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great points.

UNLESS they have bad habits to undo.

most of the guys i have taught don't come in already confident and ready to learn. they are terrified of talking to a girl, and if they still have that fear when approaching, she feels is, and she shows fear, and it goes badly, and then they have re-inforced that negative belief.

and it gets worse as you get older. it's like this:

i taught swimming for years. it's wicked easy to teach a kid who's never swum before. BUT the more time they have spent around water, or avoiding water, the more afraid they are, and the harder it gets to teach them what is truly a pretty natural, instinctive thing.

i see the same thing teaching pickup. i mean, fuck, it all comes down to be confident, feel sexy, have fun, and those are instincts, but bad habits can totally fuck a guy up... especially if he overthinks it.

that's where just practicing simple stuff like smiling and breathing and small talk make all the difference. and anyone here can teach just one tip on things like that to a friend.

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"War is not the answer. Love is."

Everytime I go out I am successful and love to share with my friends but I am spending most of my time with friends telling them what to do and say ectt... I am giving free information.

The thing is how do you market something like that. The movie Hitch is real inspiring. But how do you get out that you teach men how to PU women with out your reputation getting ruined by local people you know?

True, something as simple as "Whatever you feel, she feels." Can help dudes out SOOO much.

Those are the types of things I would say to my friends. Just little tips.

You also don't want to fall into the trap of offering advice when others don't want it. I sometimes fall into "work mode" when I should just be socializing and having a good time with friends.

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