agreed,,
i think shit test could be disarmed with good inner game building cuz trying hard to disarm just takes too much out of artists.. simple inner game will do

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Very good post and worth the read.

However I do see where he is going with it but I also think that not every women active test you although it does happen and they are capable of doing it.

It was an interesting read and I'll keep it in mind. Another thing I've seen my friends get dumped and I see what they are doing wrong? Is this a good thing or what?... For example a friend of mine turned and started to buy her, he was a wussy and possessive, while she faded away further and further.

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Interesting article.
Does this mean we're constantly being shit-tested?

It is true that once you get a woman to like you, everyone begins to slow down not because she doesn't like you anymore but because she also realizes that she doesn't have to win you over anymore as much as you don't have to win her over as well. I believe that no one likes that stress of constantly having to win someone over. Otherwise it would be no more then some sort of unattainable dream.

I found that the article always reflects one side and that is the PUA's side. Do the people that agree with this article honestly believe that you can never own someone? Because girls believe that own you when you're in relationship. This does nothing more then go against the idea of commitment. No matter, how many articles you read about picking up woman you will never forget the feeling of losing someone, sure, even if they do not belong to you, simply having someone tell you they don't want to be with you anymore changes your life.

Furthermore, with all these made-up routines and things going on, don't you think that you are also subconsciously shit testing her as well.

This was an awesome read. Coming from someone who has definitly had this happen to him. I've grown up since then, but i hope i'm developed enough in my inner game and know who i am well enough when this happens again.

I think the active test is ongoing, and thats probably why people fall in and out of love. I really enjoyed this post and i really enjoyed the message to get from it of just being true to yourself.

Great post

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This is interesting...

I was talking to a girl recently about the other side of this... She had told me how whenever she gets to that point in a relationship where he basically 'has her' that she tend to lose attraction for them and often quickly.

So do you guys really alter your behavior a lot once you've 'caught' your target? I mean I tend to do more rewarding and less punishing as things progress, but thats also because she's learning and doing things to my liking more and more.

Great find Chief

I absolutely do this and I didn't know why until I read this thread! For me, I didn't consciously know I was giving that active test. But when the guys fail it I lose interest quickly. And it makes SO much sense now! Once they are in the relationship with me, they arent the same guy I fell for.

The answer to the question, from my experience anyway is yes! I'll hold my hands up and admit that I was 100% guilty of this (but before learning of the seduction community).

It took me ages to figure it out myself but it's all so true. I would find plenty of attractive girls and "get with them" and time after time be stuck with the question "why did this not last longer than 2/3 weeks?". I took a step back and realised that the Scott meeting the girls was completely different from the one that 'caught' the girls. I'm still not sure on exactly where I was different but what I do know is that my mentality shifted. In short and to summarise I went from playing it cool and being level-headed to turning into a clingey limpet.

I appreciate your honesty Scott... and I can see how his reaction could happen. I suppose I've never had this happen because if my attitude... I'm just me flaws and all if you cant accept me for who I am then I dont want you anyway... I guess thats kind of an active subconscious shit-test of my own for the ladies.

Obviously this thread shows the extreme importance of 'inner game' and being congruent in multiple... if not all parts of your life.

that was a very good read. I think i find myself in a very similar situation. Amazing material. Thanks for the post

As many before have said this was an excellent article - however, I think it touches on a quality inherent of MANY PUAs without explicitly stating it: Paranoia.

Often this paranoia stems from the PUA's inability to shut off his or her mind. Many of the guys that get started in this (myself included) have overactive brains that overthink and overanalyze every situation, to the point of self defeat. I realized a long time ago that if I was going to even START this game (let alone try and be successful) is that I'd have to SHUT OFF my brain.

Paranoia can be embodied in as many forms from interpreting every social situation, every word spoken, and every action made in terms of Game Theory (e.g., she was trying to neg me to lower my value, thus I should appear uncaring and establish my Alpha dominance)... to this, the idea of the never-ending shit test.

I fully agree with the fact that guys, when finally having won the girl, will change into someone extremely clingy. The reason simply is that after having "fought" or struggled to find someone for so long, these gentlemen finally HAVE something to lose. And that fear of loss is what reverts them into chode-like (AFC) behaviour. THAT is what is inherently unattractive.

I don't believe women (or men for that matter) have the capacity, the cunning, and the foresight to plan and implement an active test. PERHAPS some (men and women) do, but I think that to be so calculating from the beginning is an unnatural occurrence. The Active Test is simply a natural response to a change in behaviour. And that change is what needs to be addressed.

One of my biggest issues with Mystery is that he claims to teach individuals about how to create an inner PUA, and to "activate" him whenever necessary to Game someone, and then "deactivate" when not needed. This is fine for one-night-stands, but what about when you want a real relationship? What happens when you deactivate your PUA?

The real shame is when guys work so hard to try and become good with women, only to lose them after 2-3 weeks, doubt themselves and their self-worth, and start all over again. It would be so much more fulfilling to attack the root of the problem.

Q.

great ppost

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hmmm I think I did the exact opposite. Got the girl, didn't do anything special for her and she came whining how I wasn't treating her like a GF lol.