Well guys,

i'm only about a third of the way through "The Game", though I have done extensive research. The best option for me I think especially to build away from the minor AA that I can sometimes get, is to go with a wing tomorrow to the mall since I have to do my christmas shopping.

My opener I have in mind isn't something thats super original but I think it serves its purpose. I plan on walking with my friend up to a two set, and ask something like

" Hey girls, my friend and I have been debating about what would be the perfect gift for a mom. I think a gift cert etc etc, and he thinks etc, what do you think?"

Also ask them what they got their mothers... I mean as far as this goes I guess I would rely on my ability to wing it from there... seeing as how I haven't read all the way through the book, I don't know every step of the game but I figure at the very least I can keep a few goals in mind such as:

1) Successfully utilizing opener
2) Always make sure what I say is not a DLV, and hopefully a DHV

I don't know if you guys would have any ideas to help me along, but I think this is a good entry into the game of a PUA. I can easily talk to girls but normally its at parties at such when I feel a bit at ease with alcohol etc, and also I operate like an AFC, in the sense that I don't play myself up, demonstrate DHV. This is HUGE for me, usually when I get numbers, I text and call first, sometimes the next day, and don't have any time constraint(though difficult in a college party sometimes), and I really don't make myself seem like a reasonable catch for her.

Any ideas and tips would be great. Again this will be my first real attempt thinking as a PUA, so at this point i'm a bit of a rough cut

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~Kevin~

Just to add, I initially invited a lady friend of mine to the mall. Maybe I can use her as a pivot? Not sure if i'd be getting ahead of myself with this one but shes an hb7.5 so could be potentially affective

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~Kevin~

Hey man good luck with your first attempt at approaching some honeys.
Just so you know I would not consider The Game as a "how to" book.
It's a great introduction to the world of seducing women but is by no means a manual.
The opener you have actually sounds pretty good and I am def going to use it today when I go shopping.
Let us know how the first approach goes for you dude its always a bit scary but afterwards you have no idea what you were scared of.

Escalate, escalate, ESCALATE.

Day game should be direct. The bitch shield you normally find girls holding at bars and clubs isn't there.

Try this after you've opened: "I appreciate the advice. It's been really helpful, but... I have a confession. You're really cute, and I just couldn't pass up this opportunity to say hi." (Semi-shy body language/tone of voice would work best, IMO.)



BTW, this is my new sticking point, however, the line I've given you has gotten me a number or two, so it's worth a shot.

Turns out the girl I wanted to take with me had to work, but today she's available.

If I have the balls i'll definatly pull your suggestion man that's bold, but have nothing to lose as i'm starting from nothing haha.

Question, with a girl along though, how do I handle that differently then if I had a wing for example? With her personality she probably wont engage much into the conversation, and would the target or set maybe start wondering why the heck i'm putting my attention on them instead of this girl? Should I include my friend into the conversation.

Charlie, since I am still new to the game, what is between the "Your really cute etc etc" and a # number close? That's where my lack of knowledge is right now, is between that point.

The Game is definatly a great book but I really agree wtih you, its no manual. Its funny to read about, i'm on page like 110 right now, and it makes Mystery look a bit bad but other than that lol

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~Kevin~

What goes in between 'You're really cute' and a #close? Attraction building and keno.

Tell a joke, touch the inside of her arm briefly (3-5 sec) when she laughs, and you're lauging with her. Monitor her body language.

If she said she has a bf, someone else said in another thread, "That's actually great! I'd love to have a strictly platonic relationship with a girl. All of my female friends eventually try to sleep with me!" Your shown confidence needs to be really, really high for that, and you are to continue with keno escalation and DHV. Use a BF Destroyer.



You've got to get out there and try stuff out man. I've all but completely destroyed my AA. In the few weeks I've been doing this, not once has a girl even been rude while I'm day sarging. Worst case scenario is that you get blown out, in which case you should still be successful because you just learned something new.

Yeah forsure, i'm going out in a few hours! But again my question is, is how do I involve(or dont I) my pivot, or the girl i'm bringing along with me?

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~Kevin~

Alright well I went out and tried my luck. It was difficult because with some of the sets I saw, it just seemed like given the fact that everyone is rushing to get gifts, it would be severly awkward for me to just walk up and start talking.

Anyways I didn't really achieve what I wanted(I did get my shopping done) but was a bit irritated at myself. I had talked to a few counter personnel that were cute but nothing special.

I went to the Verizon Store before I left, and there was a two set that were actually working just talking to eachother with noone else in the store. I told them I was looking at the Blackberry Storm, and wanted to see it.

The conversation in my mind went really well:

HB#1: I really feel like baking
HB#2: Yeah we should have a baking party, though i'm not very good at it
Me: Smile and laugh to myself
HB#1: Haha what?
Me: Oh nothing really I just don't consider you two as the baking types
HB#2: What types do we seem like?
ME: The ones that work at a Verizon Store(this got them a little suprised haha, but both laughed
HB#1(The one helping me): One nice thing about this store is we are privately owned unlike other stores so we are not out to sell a certain kind of phone just for the money, so that way you can get honest opinions
Me: Well I think I might believe your owner, but I dont know about you, you look like the shiesty type
HB#2: Hey now, thats not nice, I don't like being called unhonest
Me: I was totally kidding with you(and went back to checking out phone)
HB#2: I really feel like a Mamosa
HB#1: Whats that
Me: Something I don't think your suppose to be having while working, Jeese what great employees you girls are *laughed*
HB#2: Well haha I didn't mean tonight, I just meant in general
HB#1: Oh its Champagne and Orange juice right? Those are sooo good
Me: Man I think i'm in the wrong line of work, getting paid to talk about baking and drinking all day is considered the American Dream (chuckled)

From here I new the girl I was with wanted to get home so I wrapped it up

Me: Well I have some friends i'm suppose to go meet, but thanks for letting me see the phone, and for the entertainment, you girls stay on task now.

I got a sincere goodbye and merry christmas from both

They were about 7's, so not too bad.

I was happy with my performance I guess, I mean some of what I said I just thought up on, on the spot. I didn't even go in there with the intent of talking to the girls. I dont know how you guys think I did, but i'm VERY dissapointed that I wussed out in the Mall, like I said, it just seemed every setup I could potentially have was for whatever reason in an awkward setup so that it would seem weird that some random guy just goes up and start talking to a girl. At a party I can no problem because I know that these girls are here to find guys, but at the mall I feel like more of an intruder.

Let me know what you guys thought though, thanks

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~Kevin~

I think you did fine.

The only improvement I can think of would be, "Well I have some friends i'm suppose to go meet, but thanks for letting me see the phone, and for the entertainment. Though you (to target) seem sort of interesting. I'd like to talk to you again, but I don't come to the mall that much...", while handing her your phone so she can put her number in.

It's a gambit, but worst case scenario is that she says she has a bf, and you leave with what you entered with.

A "7" in America scares me Basing your life on a book that was written by an odd little man is hardly the way to go. There are plenty of great books out there that will improve your ways with girls AND make you into a better person.

Raw approaching of girls is not the way to go. Have a full enough life and you will find girls approaching you.

Find a passion for life and the girls will find you! Horny boys are not attractive.

Remember, love life and quit worrying about girls. The more you worry about them the less success you will have.

i think you did OK dude. I mean you got a bit of cocky funny going u had a bit of repore, its not bad for just on the stop in the moment. i think you are very much in the same place as I am, dabbling in it all and tryna figure out what does and doesnt work. Il be hitting the club tommoro to get my game on so we'll see if i have any success and il write anythin of interest up here.

Kudos mate

I think you done really well, again take on board some of the advice and i am sure you will be on route to becoming a PUA at the top of your game.

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The toughest thing about success is that you've got to keep on being a success.

I disagree with this..
You need to approach, Approach anyone and everyone you see
Also Mystery is not a little man, hes quite tall

He is a little man. He plays off the insecurities of teenage boys. Desperation is not an attractive energy to be putting out. The day that I have to approach random girls is the day you can eliminate me from this earth. Any man (not boy) who has depth need not worry about approaching. Your goal should be to create depth, not to act as a dog in heat.