so i hooked up with this girl, and then i hung out with her for a second time but we didnt hook up, did i get friend zoned? I still want to hook up with her? can I? dont say move on cuz i know that, but id like to get something out of it while im on it.

apart from hanging out....

what did you do to esculate??


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and on a side note, looking at my tag... i think i am becoming addictede to this forum. fuck - never a good sign. i think i need to get off!!!

Any KIno going on ????

If ther is KINO going on ,, WHEN , and What KInd KINO. and at what point of the stage of conversation. ??????


Sometimes I notice ,, People often getting in TRAPPED of JUST FRIEND ZONE is because due to lack of KINO .... Is because you havnt creat a deeper emotion connection to the girl .... You need to KINO the HB to shows her and connect her to her emotion . And that is one of my bigest mistake of WHY CANT I getting girls in my AFC days............. it is because I didnt kino ..


MAGIC J.

there was some kino, alot of which was initiated by her, she gave me a couple pecks on the cheek and things like that? when and where should i try to hang out with her, i dont want it to seem like im on her nuts

I don't understand this friend zone thing. It has never existed for me with girls. Any and every girl that has been my friend I have escalated and played with at different levels. The whole idea of a friend does not exclude intimacy.

It's like a bar graph of closeness, trust is built to varying degree until you get to the full trust bar. Friends can have sex too you know.

|Meet------------Friend-----------Intimacy-------------Sex-----------Long term prospects|

What do you want? If you have already built attraction, now you can slip in sex into conversations, build kino, hold hands, it's just an unconcious game you escalate in the SPAM. Women do it all the time. I saw it on the weekend when two HBs kept on insinuating a pash for a wingman of mine and viola, it happened. Unconcious escalation is great. But you have to have already built comfort first.

As mystery suggested, at least 4-7 hours needs to go by before sex happens. I have had it on one night stands after four hours of conversation and escalation. But those are few and far between, the more interesting ones tend to go over a few nights.

Be careful not to use LTGFs as a crutch, nor sex nor drugs. I've fallen into all those pitfalls and it really is an indicator that you need to work on inner game. Pitty it took so long to figure that out. Still, better late than never.

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