Ive noticed that you PUAs are quite consistent when it comes to not pay for the girl. but if youre on a date, like a couple of days after youve met her the first time, wont that just make you come off as cheap?
Ive read "all about women", by guiseppe(?).
he said something like, its okay to pay for her as long as you decide to do it to reward her, but never if she expects it. which seems quite reasonable.
what is your guys view on this matter? will you under no circumstances what so ever pay for her? if you do pay for her, what is it that makes you do it?

NO it wont makes you cheap . Make her pay for you , then you pay her back .


it is like GIVE AND RECEIVE. YOU GIVE SOME , AND YOU RECEIVE SOME BACK FROM THE HB.


AND ALWAYS REWARDS THE HB IF SHE DID SOMETHING FOR YOU. EX: AFTER HAVING SEX.....



MAGIC J.

Ok soon to be PUA. Here's a quick lesson about dates and paying
1st dont use money to try to impress her
2nd don't let the bill cause awardness

Tip# 1: Best way to plan a first dinner date is to get her to hang out with u at your place(never imply u had any intention on going to eat in the first place because she should be hanging out with u just to spend time with u) then about 5 or 10mins in say hey "I'm hungry lets go grab some food"

Tip# 2: When arranging a hang out on the phone you say "yeah come over such and such time Who knows I MAY get hungry later"
"I MAY get hungry" implies that your not guaranting her to go out

I'll break it down – some women will offer to pay half, others will offer to pay but don’t mean it, others will never offer – you are best off assuming that you’re going to pay and planning accordingly as part of being a man.
This has the additional bonus of showing her you can take care of her, which if done correctly`should make her perceive you as dominant rather than supplicative. Because if you look at her like "Are going to pay?" you no longer look like the MAN in control anymore

Most waiters will hand the bill to the Man(thats always my case anyways) U say to the girl(your date) hey got this one.
then follow up with one of the following.....
1.You're going to pay me back by cooking for me sometime soon.

2. You got it the next time.

this works great I used the 1st one and had the girl cooking me dinner the next weekend

so yeah i know i lot of so called PUA's on this site will say payin for a date makes u look weak like an AFC. Look you're only weak if you had to offer to take the girl somewhere like Dinner as the only way to get her to see u in the first place.

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You are thinking that paying the bill will make you cheap, but remember paying the bill will make you look like a tool (at least for the first "date" or two)

Also, I know this is really basic, but don't go on dates. Meet for coffee, drinks, etc. I know this sounds super cheap, but after entering the PUA world I decided to live by the rule "Unless it is at my/ her house, no dinner until after sex" it has worked fairly well over the last year.

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Assuming you're *willing* to pay for the dinner (this is different from the whole image of paying for the dinner).. you could always excuse yourself to go to the bathroom, go to the waiter with your credit card and arrange for the meal to be 'on the house' (as far as she knows). Waiters will usually cooperate with special requests like this, since 80%+ of their income is from tips.

I've done this a few times with just one course or something... i.e., I find our waiter and give him $20 to arrange a 'complimentary' coffee and dessert.

It's a pretty slick DHV in my opinion.

Ok Soon to be PUA I want YOU to take Magicj and Crashpad's
EXPERT ADVICE.
so the next time you invite a girl out to dinner or whatever the bill comes and lets say its $30. I want you to look at her Stupid as Hell as if she is going to pay that entire bill.
Then I want u to get ready to duck cause you will get your ass slapped.

but seriously man take their advice I DARE U!!!

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I was not recommending that you should take my advice once you are in a "date" situation. I was simply stating that you should be "the man in control" and not get manuvered into taking a woman on a date.
Meet a woman for coffee, for a drink, etc.
I know that this is going to sound reallllly harsh, but here is an old standby.

PUA: We should do something tomorrow (Thuesday, Wednesday, etc).
HB: Yeah, that sounds good (or something, whatever)
PUA: So what time do you think you will have dinner tomorrow (whatever night) night?
HB: Not sure, maybe 7:00 ish?
PUA: Cool, I have a business dinner thing (fill in the day), but I want to hang out with you. Want to get some drinks at 9:00?

Just an example. Might not work for everyone, but I have actually tested it.

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thanks for the enlightenment on this issue guys, I will take it to me!

Crashpad,

First off, I have no idea how to post quotes in the forum, so I will do it by hand.

Ok, you said:
"PUA: We should do something tomorrow (Thuesday, Wednesday, etc).
HB: Yeah, that sounds good (or something, whatever)
PUA: So what time do you think you will have dinner tomorrow (whatever night) night?
HB: Not sure, maybe 7:00 ish?
PUA: Cool, I have a business dinner thing (fill in the day), but I want to hang out with you. Want to get some drinks at 9:00? "

Overall, that would work for most girls, but I recommend not even giving her the chance to decide anything. Instead of saying "So what time do you think you will have dinner tomorrow?", just say-

"Ok, my day is packed due to meetings and a dinner I promised my friend, lets get drinks at 9."

This keeps you in power, gives you the higher value, and doesn't give her a chance to put her own opinion in.

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Definitely! Good point. Keep the power. Don't give her the option. Thanks Apollo!

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The way you avoid paying for things on dates is you don't go on dates. If you DO end up going on a date (and shame on you for it!), you split the bill if it's anything over thirty bucks. If it's anything less, you pay for it because looking cheap is worse than losing control where your value is concerned.

I've told girls they should buy me coffee, and they do. I've told girls we can go out for drinks, but only if they pay, and they do. The trick here is to establish yourself as high-maintenance in the beginning. I always SOI with how high-maintenance I am; it's cute because boys don't do it that often, and it lets her know that she's not getting a free ride out of you.

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Exactly- and contrary to belief- girls do make their own money and have the ability to spend it on someone other than themselves.

Amazing. I know. Nearly peed myself when I learned this.

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i don know man, id rather avoid the whole dinner thing, before i stumbled upon pick up, i hanged with a girl for 3 days and never bought her shit. we jus went interesting places and spent some good time together. i got rewarded sweetly for my miserly ways

1) Should you pay for the coffee? Is it because coffee is cheap that you can/should pay for it, or it doesn't matter? Will paying for coffee make you look weak because you are still paying for the girl?

2) How do you reward a girl for sex?

Edit: Figured out question #2... pretty straight forward actually. Cuddle a girl after having sex.. if you think she will like that. Most girls do. Reward = giving girl something she wants. easy as that.