Zip, I need your feminine opinion on this.

I work with a girl who is like a complete double of me. Female version of me for that matter. We have like TOO MUCH common and I'm not even joking. For example we're both leos, both semi-deaf, our names rhyme, both of our fathers are racists, we're the only child from the family, we even have the same nipple piercing on our left side, and these are only just a FEW examples.

My question is this: Does a girl dig that? I would personally think that a female would want to meet someone totally different from themselves. At the same time, I'm also thinking that we can help understand ourselves a little bit more because of how much we relate. We have awesome chemistry and to me, that's all that matters but I want to understand a girl's perspective.

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you silly UK men. never heard of "camp" in that way in my life!!!!

I know what you mean now.

Okay, using some "camp" vibe is fine to use to "get in" with women. Playing with femininity can be an incredible asset in meeting women.

However, in order to make it work, he has to be able to FLIP IT and put on a strong, masculine, dominant, and sexual frame when he's isolated the chick.

That's the only way I can see it working. To be able to flip back and forth and still be congruent.

I do a bit of gender-bending myself when I'm trying to attract a man. Men are initially attracted to me because I have masculine traits. Then, I'm able to become powderpuffy and girly, and it hooks them for years- I swear.

That's about all the advice I can give on that for now. Such an interesting concept... "camp."

P.S. That guy in the video is outrageous

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Yes, a girl can dig that. She can dig a complete opposite, but what you bring to the table is instant rapport. That is the most amazing asset you can have with a chick... right behind a pre-heated buying temperature (but that never really happens, does it.)

Just make sure you are escalating kino and having a sexual frame with all that instant rapport you've got going on, or you'll be forever stuck in the "let's just be exact twin friends" zone

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Dang Zip, damn good answer. Now all I gotta do is explain how to be masculine to the guy without me being there..... or buy some walky-talky's!
Carrying on, would you say there is more to being masculine than "alpha"?
Do you think men can flip and still seem real? Personally I dont see how that could work, wouldnt it seem like 2 different personalities?

In my opinion... there are four things for men (general categories that can be assigned adjectives.)

1.) Alpha
2.) Beta
3.) Alpha Omega
4.) Zeta

What are words you associate with Alpha? Beta? Alpha Omega? Zeta? Let's put them in order of wuss to asshole: (this goes for any sexuality... gay or straight men)

zeta: no vision of self, complete lack of confidence, drone, eunuch, illogical emotional
beta: second in command, needy, emotional, weak, humanitarian
alpha: first, leader, logical, authoritative, strong, humanist
alpha omega: fixed, cocky, asshole, bull-headed, puffed-up, illogical, mustache (jk)

Okay, so... my opinion of masculinity that is attractive to women is alpha. Now, that also includes alpha that swings naturally back and forth between a touch of beta and a touch of alpha omega.

For example: when I first meet a guy, if he's a bit cocky or a bit of an asshole with a smile (alpha omegaish) it's attractive. If a guy has a bit of feminine grace to him (beta) it's attractive. But he needs to have the essence, confidence, and leadership abilities of the alpha.

A true leader knows when to lead and when to follow. A true leader (alpha) knows when to lead (alpha omega) and when to follow (beta.)

How does this translate for your guy? He needs to understand that women will be more open to him because of his campy ways. He also needs to understand what it means for HIM to be a man... however that translates. He can still be "himself" and "alpha."

1.) He needs to take leadership opportunities (take her hand and lead her through the bar, lead a group to another venue, take control of the crowd and tell them to stop pushing the bar, etc.) and it needs to be done in a calm, logical, resonate, authoritative way.

2.) He needs to own his sexuality. He must be able to create a sexual frame that is comfortable, strong, enticing, but NOT horny. This should be done physically through kino escalation and verbally by raising her buying temperature and expressing his comfort in his human sexuality.

3.) He needs to be logical. And not needy. However, he needs to be logical while honoring emotion and he needs to be not needy of anything from people he's just met (or are not of deserving quality) but NEEDY to the world for experience. This is a tricky concept, do you understand this point?

I'm dating a guy right now that uses his natural femininity to "get in" where others can't. He's got this Valentino quality to him that is graceful and cruel at the same time. He is undoubtedly a man, but is so comfortable in who he is that he uses his feminine characteristics as a sort of peacocking.

hope that helps a little

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I do understand, as always Zip your amazing.
I could go on but it would be about how to teach him, which isnt what this thread is for.
Great answer and I think a lot of people could benifit from your explination of masculinity and your idea of flipping between beta and alpha omega, thought of typing up a full post on it? Its an interesting concept.

Madals

As seeing video footage of any highly advanced female pick up artists like yourself (as I don't know of any that's around, which is a shame) and any female wingwoman or wingwomen with them, would be as interesting
(if not moreso) than seeing similar footage of the top male PUA guru instructors doing the same thing, my question is do you have any plans to film yourself out in the field, showing how you game, then putting it up on your blog (and maybe charging a fee, to cover the costs) discussing what you were doing.

I've seen a couple things of Mystery out in the field, but not all that much and while most people would say check out Mehow who regularly has himself filmed out in the field, I'm not a big fan of Mr. Mehow's style of gaming. As much as I admire the more credible top PUA guru instructor guys who've field tested what they teach, it's rather frustrating PUA students get to see so very little footage of them out in the field, like seeing how they transition after their opener, or seeing how they handle rejection (for those who are brave enough to show that type of footage and not edit it out), as it really brings things into perspective, compared to just reading a written piece they've done. I know it's not easy to do with a hidden camera and you need someone to follow you to take the footage.

Zip,

I asked a girl, from work, out the other night. She had plans with her best friend who's living out of town so no date but she wanted to make an arrangement for another day. I was observing her body language while I was having this whole conversation with her. Maybe you can help me out and tell me what they all mean.

- She was talking out loud on the phone, before I asked her out, saying where she was gonna be with her best friend. I think she knew that I was gonna ask her out because I foreshadowed it earlier. My impression of this was that she wanted me to hear where she was gonna be although I think I'm over-thinking this situation a bit.

- She seemed pretty nervous while I was talking to her and asking her out.

- She was by a mirror and started wearing the clothes that she was thinking about buying. We lost eye contact there and I wonder what she was trying to tell me with that. Then, she switched the subject for a bit and asked me if any of those jackets looked good on her. I told her the ones that I liked and she took them and bought them.

- Gave me the hint that she doesn't do much except when her best friend comes to town.

- She called my best friend (who's a girl) and then said never mind and hung up.

- I told her that I wanted to be somewhere isolated with her and said that I want to hang out with her. She then smiled and said "you're so sweet." and gave me a hug. I was like "Oh my God! Why???!"

More often lately than before, I've been getting the "you're so nice/sweet" comment. It kills me to hear that. To me, that translates "You're not getting with me right now."

The thing is, I love being nice. In a sense, I get off of it. It makes me feel good and more sociable. Do you agree with me that once that comment is said that it's over?

I'm so thick-headed sometimes. I really need to get a grip in understanding women. Help me, Zip.

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you need more sexual innuendos. I never get I'm sweet always i get your a bad man(never do they shy away) . You need to begin to learn to use foreplay before the foreplay. Learn to tantalize more.

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well, thanks, Hypnotica.

Gentlemen, we'll be back shortly. Have to handle some scandal!

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I'm not planning on making a video of myself in field. I'm not really trying to promote myself as some big-time-guru, so I don't see the point. Also, (and I'm not putting down female game because it's definitely an art) if I put a video up of me getting the number of some super rich fantastic hottie supermodel... it's not really going to be all that impressive. People will just be like, "Okay... it's a blonde getting some guy's number. Big deal."

If I could figure out how to or get some audio equipment to record the interaction (which is impressive, if I do say so myself) then perhaps it's in the future
You're right! As a student or prospective client... it would be amazing if every teacher out there put out video footage of rejections and successes. However, we (as teachers) also have a right to as much privacy as we can possibly muster. As a woman, this is a battle I struggle with. As a writer, I want to put myself out there as honestly as possible. As a female, it's incredibly hard to have any footage viewed neutrally.

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welcome back Zip!

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She definitely knew you were listening and wanted you to hear what she was saying. She wants you to know she's in high demand and isn't waiting around for plans. I do this ALL the time. My phone is one of my favorite wingmen.


Maybe she was? Girls sometimes get nervous when they know what's coming, even if they want it.
With the EC, I'm not sure exactly what she was going for. Maybe she wanted to break rapport (subconsciously, of course.) Women know they have to play hard to get. Men don't like what's easy (most of the time.)

She was flirting with you while trying on the jackets. She valued your opinion if she bought the ones you said looked good.
Hm, girls usually don't want to let a guy know they sit around. Maybe this was a conscious ploy to let you know she's available.
No idea. She probably had a plan and freaked out.


Alright, "you're so sweet" isn't something you necessarily WANT to get. This is letting me know she views you more as a friend. She was easing the tension off the situation by saying "let's just comfortably move past the suggestion of being alone together somewhere, and I'll give you a hug to compensate turning you down."
You're right about "you're sweet/nice" comments. It means "I'm going to put you in my friend box. I'm not tantalized by you. I'm not sexually attracted to you."

It's great to be sweet. It's good to have good guys in the world. However, just like the most desirable women are both madonna/whores (lady on the streets, freak in the sheets) guys have to have more to them than just "nice."

You have to be a bit of a cocky/funny asshole as well as your nice sweet self. Rev up your inner bad boy. Say some inappropriate things with a smile and a walk away. The trick is to come across like a comfortable sexual being rather than a horny asshole.

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If a girl catches you in a routine and calls you out on it, which would be the most effective recovery:
1) Bail. She knows you're gaming her. Your time will be better spent elsewhere.
2) Meta-routine. Admit you got caught, then try to talk about the routine and gaming in general. Social psychology is a valid topic for discussion.
3) Change the subject and try to recapture control of the frame.
4) Something completely unlike any of these.

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Some vices miss what is right because they are deficient, others because they are excessive, in feelings or in actions, while virtue finds and chooses the mean.
Aristotle, Ethica Nichomachea

Never option one.

2 is absolutely fine, and three is fine as well (as long as you don't blink, metaphorically.)

My favorite option is an expansion of two. If she gives you shit about being "one of those fake pick-up guys" just ask her, "have you ever read an article on how to put on makeup? Did you ever have someone teach you about fashion, clothes, hair, etc? It's sexist for you to say that women can be taught and men shouldn't be refined in the arts of social dynamics."

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