if i am going 1st date with a girl to the mall, but not calling it a date (even though it is), would it be acceptable to bring my best buddy along who she doesn't know? would she get intimidated because she would be with two guys or possibly think that i need somebody there just in case conversation goes stale (which i'm not really worried about)? or would she feel more relaxed because him being there would ease the tension that a typical one-on-one date has?



kudos if you understood all that lol

I undestand you perfectly.
Don't you think that is too childish?
What for do you need your buddy on a date with a girl?
Are you afraid of being alone with a girl or something?
Do you want to spent time with a girl or with your buddy?

lol. I really appreciate your reply. It made me really think about the situation and my game in general.



Yes I do, if you and the girl label it as a date. But i'm going on the basis that i was going to go to the mall anyway, and who likes goes to the mall alone? Also, something minor, I've found that I get uptight when I drive (so he will), and everybody knows that being uptight is the last thing you want to be.
At this point, yes, to a degree because my mid-game is sortof weak, but it is something that I will just have to get over.
The girl. lol


Looking at the situation, i think it all depends on what she would think. Where's Zip when i need her? lol

If she isn't bringing anyone along I don't either.
Girls tend to bring friends when they arn't comfortable enough with you yet. Since you clearly have some sort of comfort and she is ok going alone and you want to pursue this girl I wouldn't bring a friend.

Doing any type of kino with your friend there will be weird for her.
I bring a friend when i have already kissed a girl and showing public display of affection isn't a big factor with her anymore.

perfect. thank you reminis. that is exactly the kind of answer that i needed.

No problem man, Keep me posted on how your date went. Just post it here or make a new thread on it if you had any problems.

GoodLuck man!

omg don't bring a friend. you can't comfortably escalate kino (easily) in that situation, and the point is to escalate escalate escalate, build comfort, and sexual frame.

maybe if your friend met you for like 30 min then left, but not more than that.

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Thanks to everybody who gave their opinion.

AN UPDATE




Ok, I called her last night at 6:13 PM and confidently said,

"Hey, What are you doing?"
- "On the way to my friend's house. How about you?"
"Oh I'm babysitting, again. What are you doing tomorrow?"
- "I'm not sure yet."
"Perfect. Well I am going to the mall to look for a couple long sleeve shirts and some T-shirts, and I wanted you to come along. And by the way, it's not an option. "
- "Yeah, I'll go (somewhat enthusiastically). Just call me tomorrow."
"Ok well I was thinking of going later in the evening so... yeah I'll just call you."
- "Ok great I'll talk to you tomorrow."
"Ok Bye."



So earlier today at 1:06 PM I called her and... riiing, riiing, riiing. Nothing. She didn't pick up. I decided to let it slide and go to the gym and see if she might call me back.



After working out, she still hadn't called me so I called her again at 4:01 PM.

- "Hello?"
"Hey, this is [sInsational]. We are still going to the mall right?"
- "Yea, as far as I know."
"Great, well I was planning on going between 6:30 and 7:00. If you could do me a favor and give me the directions to..." -she cuts me off.
- "Hey, let me call you back after I get home. I'm getting my haircut right now."
"Ok."
- "Alright, bye."



She doesn't call me back (I expected that) so I text her a few hours later at 6:40 PM.
"Hey. Im probably leavin soon. Where do you live?"
-no reply-



So I call her 12 minutes later. riiing, riiing, riiing. She doesn't pick up.
So i'm thinking, "maybe she's in the shower or something?"


So I call again at 7:08 pm, 28 minutes after the first text. She doesn't pick up.


Finally, I'm crushed. I thought I had done everything right. I'm a good- looking guy, we had been flirting every now-n-then in school (I'm a senior in HS), I had a couple great text message conversations with her [read one of them here feedback-plz-vt34910.html ], and I was confident and did not display needyness when talking to her about going on the date.



I was pissed so I sent her this text message at 7:31 PM.

"If you didn't want to go with me you should've just told me straight up, either last night or when we talked today. Don't ignore me and make me wait. I know your right there by your phone and if you're not then it wasn't important enough to you. All I know is that you're missing out. So thanks and i'll see you after Christmas."

I was pretty proud of myself lol.



14 minutes later, she texts me back.

"[sInsational] im so sorry. I fell asleep, im sick and i slept right through that. I wanted to go but i didn't plan on feeling like shit."


So i'm thinkin "Maybe she's tellin the truth, maybe she's not. Either way, if she likes me, she'll do something within the next few days. And if she doesn't, then i'm not gonna chase her and this will make her feel like crap. IM NOT ANSWERING THIS BACK."



Sure enough, after not giving her a reply after 15 minutes she calls me.
"Hello?"
- "Hey."
"Yes?"
- (kind-of panicky) "Look, I swear to God i'm sick and I feel asleep and I didn't even wake up from my phone vibrating. I feel really bad about this. I owe you and I'll make it up to you, I promise."
"You owe me? Do you promise me?"
- "Yes." (confidently)
"Alright. We'll i've gotta go, i'm on my way to the mall."
- "Ok, bye."
"Bye."



I honestly do believe that she was sick and that she really wanted to go. Even though she didn't go to the mall tonight, I think that by me standing up for myself and my willingness to let her go made her realize the kind of man I am. I also believe that the tension that was created was transformed into stronger feelings for one another. I'm currently planning on throwing her a stray text in a couple days on Christmas day just saying merry christmas or w/e, and then after the whole Christmas holiday is over, talking and setting something up.




Thoughts?





sInsational