So heres the deal this girls used to be the girl i wanted really bad in high school but instead we became good friends and some bullshit like that. I took her to prom and it was the only time we made out we were both drunk but she made the first move. we went to different colleges and talked here and there i probly seen her like 10 times at most iin the past year and not for long periods of time like at partys we said high have a quick 5 min conversation. im new to the game about a month now and i have been having success with girls at my school. she texts me and asks if we could do something over break so i texted her what are you doing tonight she said she with family and if we can do something tommarrow i sent back sure how about we go out to eat and catch up she said ok. Now I have failed with trying to be more than friends its been a while and i really changed alot since we used to hang out. If anyone has any tips on what i should do this time like should k-close or any good negs. i would really like to try and prove to her that im not the same and try to get with her this time. Any suggestions

well from my experience, and this is by no means gospel, i have found that theonly way to get out of deep friend zone, if at all, is to completely cut them from your life, for an exended period of time. you must do this in a way that keeps her respect for u (so dont tell her to fuckoff etc.). then, after an unspecified amount of time (quite a long time) you must come back, and to her, seem in some way different, and DHV to her like youdidnt before you stopped talking. this way, she will be open to u as a possible, non friend zone man.

this worked very well for me

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well actually we havn't really talked that much at all we go to diffeent colleges and we dont call each other so i kind of feel like i have played it off like that and now this is the time to show her that im different

in that case, yes it is.

when u meet her. Demonstrate NEW higher value. and just be somehow different. ooze your confidence more etc. that will eject you (temporarily) from the friend zone and give you the window u need to sarge

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Sure you can get out of the LJBF zone. But you need to be careful! If this is your good friend you might damage your relationship by going too far on the first dinner you have had in a long time. Dedicate this dinner to DHVing, telling about all the things you have done in the last months etc. DHV! Show her that you have grown since last time. Discuss interesting topics, have interesting and relevant comments on what she says. Above all, listen to what she has to say!

But dont go to fast into anything since you need to let her digest the new you! You have to delete the former you and replace it with the new you!

dude Peng, when i read the first post the first thing i thought of was "Just Friends" with Ryan Ryenolds. hahaha then i scroll down and he is staring me in the face. coincedince?

but im with ezo on this one. make sure your not going to damage a good friendship by taking it farther. as for the "one-itis", im a firm believer in the theory that 'in time one can get over anything'.

good luck

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"We were drunk" is just a justifier. You wanted to kiss her, she wanted to kiss you . . . so you did. Otherwise, you both would have kissed OTHER people.

This isn't a LJBF situation in my mind. She hasn't put you in the "friend's" category by choice but rather by default due to your sloooooooow game. Step it up when you see her this time around and on that first meeting, you could probably F her. When you do see her, you should absolutely take this the furthest you can sexually.

Also, I've got to believe that most men KNOW the difference between a woman who shows up ready to fuck and a woman who hasn't even thought about it. You can see the difference, you can smell the difference . . . and when you see those fresh panties, you know it.

However, too many guys negate themselves and go, "No way. . . I don't think so."

Hey, right when you see her. Just take a good look at her. You'll know it. I'm going with 10 to 1 odds that when you take her pants off, she'll be wearing fresh, new panties.

1. Girls say, "LJBF's and we'll be like the best friends ever!" - But this is a total lie. They say things like this to people they don't want to fuck. And since they feel sorry AND they still want to suck up all the "friendship energy" from the non-sexual guys, they try to give away a consolation prize in a really shiny wrapper. It's BS.

2. Girls are often BEST friends with guys they have fucked. They feel more comfortable around them, they feel safer around them, they are more emotional around them. (The only reason why you might not hear about these cases is that "bad" stories are told 10 times more than good stories.)

Stay away from hard negs. You've known her a long time. She was your prom date for God's sake. Meet her, hug her, kiss her on the cheek. Cross the street? Hold her hand. Make sure you've already scoped out places where you can F. Your place, her place . . . make it convenient to go. You learned how to make a cocktail, you have a new shaker, you rented a funny movie, etc . ..

This is a good thing going . . .

wll our dinner got pushed back to tonight andim picking her up in about a hour thanks for the advice i like what the last post said that i have good shot but i have been pleying really slow game and i think that is right but i also need to show that i am better than i used to be and show her higher value thanks guys for your help il let you know how it goes

COME ON MY SON, YOU CAN DO IT!!!

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well its didn't go as well as i hoped but we went out to dinner i was DHVing alot better with her than i used to but i wasnt getting any IOIs so i ask if she wanted to go a see a movie and we did. i didn't make a move in the theatre i feel like i should have but i still wasn't getting any clear IOIs when we said good by all i got was a kiss on the cheek overal i feel like a fuckin pussy and i wasnt ready yet for this. please tell me what i should have done different

Ouch dude I feel your pain.
I kinda thought thatsa how your night was gunna go.
One thing you should have done is perhaps have not put so much pressure on yourself before hand.
If you truly want to succeed with this girl do as some other guys have advised, cut all contact with her for 3, even six months.
In that time just practice, practice, practice non stop on girls that are way hotter than her.
Then, the next time you meet, there will be no pressure on yourself because you know exzctly how the night is gunna go.
I know how hard it is dude to be heaps into a girl who is "the one", I have been there myself I promise.
But as I said, I went away, banged a few 9s-10s. Got my confidence up, then gave her a random call 6 months later.
I can tell you she didnt seem so special then, but I still got to fuck her all night, and then for a few months. And it did not ruin our friendship at all dude.
Me and her are still friends. And we dont fuck anymore.

You don't need to wait 6 months or 6 years. Look, you went out without a game plan. Ever hear of anybody going to the movies to get laid?

I have a bunch of routines. Here's a few:

Movie + a dinner at MY apartment.

Cocktails (I really do make some sick martinis) + ice cream (I make my own ice cream as well) at MY apartment.

If I go OUT to dinner, after it's over, I just hail a cab and just tell the guy to go to MY APT. . . (The girls ask why? Hell, I make the best cocktails in town, I just rented a new comedy movie, I have photos from my last trip to Indonesia, etc . . .)

They know they are coming over to fuck. You can see them adjust their shit. You can see them swallowing their saliva down . . . You give them the ol' caveman on the way home. You just have to start dictating your shit.

It all starts with how you communicate with her on the phone. You haven't even TRIED this out yet. Just keep going as far as she'll allow it. You didn't even give her a chance to play "goal keeper" . . . If she blocks your shit 100%, that's when you freeze her out and go hit 10 other chicks. Give this one a twirl first . . .

kasabi what should be my next move then i could invite her over to watch a movie were both home from break until jan 8th so i have some time the thing is we both live with our parents were still in college and dont have our own places at home yet

Dude, I can't get into a "play by play" with you. If you tell me that I'm the one who is going to get some play with your girl, I would put some time into this. Since YOU'RE the one who wants to get laid, put some of your own EFFORT into it. Read up more on this game. There's so much on this forum. I gave you a few examples. Think for yourself.

Above all, reach down to your crotch. You should feel two orbital objects jingling and jangling. Go ahead and give them a loving squeeze and remind yourself that you have BALLS. Dude! Stop with this skittish shit and go get some tail!

OK, I'll give you one little kino trick. I have a few pillows on the sofa but when we watch "movies", I only leave out one. They always sit with some distance at first. So when I sit with that 1 pillow on my back, I go, "Cool . . . nice and comfortable . . . oh shoot . . . here, use this pillow."

She goes "It's OK . . ."

I go "No here you go."

Then you squeeze only half the pillow on her back. Then you immediately scoot over right next to her and throw your arm around her so that you're both "sharing" that pillow. Then you go, "Now we're both comfy . . ."

You give her some time to get comfortable with this distance before you start the next move. (A hand on the knee during funny parts. Tap on the shoulder. . . whisper in the ear . . .) You're man with hormones. Let your hormones take over.

Have fun.