We're talking about IOD's. Indicators of Disinterest.

According to Sinn, "everything is either a demonstration of higher value, a demonstration of lower value, an indicator of interest, or an indicator of disinterest."

According to my experience in field, and according to my learning, some of those keywords, hints, and body language cues would be:

She answers your questions with one word answers, does not ask them back, and gives you negative body language
She tells you to fuck off
She "girl mumbles" sly comments about you under her breath to her friend
She looks off somewhere else when you are talking to her
You touch her, she pulls away sharply
She laughs in your face
She rolls her eyes without smiling
She crosses her arms, turns her legs away from you, and avoids eye contact
She flakes
She gives OBVIOUSLY lame/untrue excuses
She gives you a scowling look when you ask her a question
She shifts uncomfortably in her seat, or switches her weight to relocate her body away from you
She repeatedly throws rude comments your way, with NO intention of flirting/playing (i.e. shut up, NO, whatever.)
When you aren't looking, she physically or vocally DLV's you to the rest of the room
She says uh, rolls her eyes, and is not smiling

Here's the thing though. Many guys fret, "is it an IOD or a bitch shield/shit test?" Who Cares? Unless she's about to DLV you to the entire bar, and you're wanting to open more sets there without losing social value, keep plowing and trying to make her smile. Even the worst IOD's can be quickly forgotten with a swift thread shift.

I'd turn to her friend and say, "Is she always so friendly?" or false disqualify yourself, "It's a pity I value my mother's opinion so much... she won't let me bring a bad girl home for thanksgiving." or "Your boyfriend obviously does not spank you enough." If she doesn't laugh or qualify... eject.

If she says, "Seriously, fuck off. Get away from me." Then tell her, "It was a pleasure conversing with you." and eject. NO sometimes does mean NO. Thank her for saving you three months in a horrible relationship.

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Yo, Zip.. THE AFC HAS RETURNED PUA w/ another question for ya!

Ive noticed overtime after getting a number close that its a Time bridge that if you dont meet up with the woman the attraction spark dies out, on her end. I think the span is about 2weeks or so after!

Is there any way of keeping the anticipation up if the schedules conflict and its not able to happen in 14days. I think this is the big reason, I cant get D2s! I'm working on this as we speak, but I was thinking after 14days, I give the relationship some identity and put her in the friend zone...

Would this be plausible? Any Advice?

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hold on, paco, I missed those parts. apologies. but right now, it's 4am, and I've got to get some sleep. I'll answer with a clear head, to the best of my experience and ability.

btw, you could have nicely asked me to go back over your question. I'm answering 70plus pages of questions because I care. Not because I want to rush through things. Sometimes I miss what the person was asking. don't slam my head on concrete if you didn't like the extent of my answer. Just ask nicely.

GENERAL NOTE (swoop, this is not directly at you. this is for everyone): What is the deal lately, guys? If you have a question... please put it in a format that is CLEAR, and states SERIOUSLY what you want me to answer SERIOUSLY. If you're flirt-asking, I'm going to flirt-answer. Alphaing or douching out or sarcasm on this thread is a moot point. I'm not a target, I'm not in set with you, and I'm not another dude.

Maybe go back over the other questions and see how people asked me clear questions and got great answers. Go up a few responses and see the exchange MrFickle and I had. He wanted a bit more from my answer, but instead of asking politely and rephrasing, he douched out and tried to prove he had a penis. He didn't learn, I couldn't help, and he left a big skid mark on this thread that I've worked very hard on for the past year.

Help me help you, or I'm just going to lock this thread.

Also, a little flipping respect would be nice. you ask me hundreds of questions. I ask you to not douche out on me. simple agreement.

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I'm glad you mentoned this because I was thinking things were getting stoopit. Dudes, she's pretty cool to put this level of thought and consideration into her answers. If Zip hasn't gotten to the core of a sticking point. Then rephrase the question or simply go and ask someone else. If you're some type of keyboard mack and she doesn't want to play cut her some slack. She's busy trying to answer people's genuine questions. You should get out more and actually practice your game with live women. I'm not being a dick, but come on man. This is a good woman that's only trying to help.

Welcome to Zip's Perspective:

Zip is a positive lifestyle augmentation coach and writer, residing in New York City. She has been featured on Maxim Radio's Game On, The Barry Kirkey Show, and has hosted many web seminars filled to max capacity. Zip specializes in rapport, body language, style, lifestyle augmentation, value, masculinity, and blasting through approach anxiety. She has a thorough knowledge of many pick-up methodologies and specializes in tailoring each of her student's natural game into unstoppable confidence. She teaches people how to not demonstrate high value but to BE high value.

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annnndddd... we're back.... motherfuckers!!!!

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1)Zip, please can you tell me what has changed with your thread?
2) A male described as "camp". What would you suggest to a student who was descrebied as camp (who is straight? Is it good or bad etc.

Madals

Hey Zip, you know if your getting annoyed by dudes trying to seduce you while your teaching them something. You should just add that so it's against the rules..... or pretend that your a man..... .....an unattractive man, I guess that would get rid of them.

"Every women loves semi-rape" - Ian Flemming.

My guess this is suggesting that women enjoy men who are dominant and aware of their desires.

Do you think the above phrase holds any validity, is it a look at the female desire for a man who is confident in escalation.

Or is it just mysoginistic?

Thanks Zip.

If you had three wishes, what would the second one be?

Hey Zip, I have a question about this girl I've semi been seeing. I met her like a month ago at the bar. We hit it off right away and there was definitely attraction and comfort. She also was in one of my university classes so we studied for that a couple times at my school but whenever i talk to her since my classes have ended she is going out to the bar with her friends. Now I know this probably sounds like shes kind of a bar star and goes after a lot of guys. However, she almost always tells me I should go and when I do go I cant get her off me. She also does these little questionarre note things that Ive read about random questions and she says stuff like she is super independent doesnt cry doesnt like anyone right now. etc etc. So anyways I dont know if I should try to spend some real 1 on 1 time with her or if its a lost cause. I wouldnt say Im looking for a girlfriend or anything but I dont think I know this girl as much as I would like to before I move on. Any thoughts? Thanks

1.) just cleaned up a few things, fixed the first post, established rules. all that stuff.
2.) camp... like, campy? like, british silly funny? I mean, that's good. Just as long as he doesn't become all about the camp and dance around for everyone like a circus monkey. circus monkeys don't build rapport. They can get numbers, but most girls will flake on them.

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this will be my new avatar:
I get the quote.

It's true that many women do enjoy a true masculine presence in the bedroom. Usually, we don't get guys who are forceful enough in that department. Men are raised by women to "not hit girls" and to "respect women." Which is all true and all of you shouldn't hit girls and you should respect women. However, it's translated to a lacking alphaness.

The thing is... I've heard women say they have "safe rape" fantasies. That disturbs me. The word "rape" disturbs me. Rephrasing it into maybe "every woman loves a little power play." But it loses the meaning. I will tell you this too: I know men that dream about a little force-play performed ON THEM. I think it's our nature to have a little slave and master in all of us. It's just a matter of where we are on the scale at any given time.

Truth is: It holds validity for some women. I'm disturbed by the quote because I can see what Ian means. However, safe dominance is VASTLY different than saying "semi-rape."

Why does it hold validity for some women? I believe because we're taught that we have to be powerful, dominant, successful, beautiful, witty, in charge, confident.... and we become these hard-ass wicked super chicks. Women are brought up, nowadays, where we are never out of control. Even in the bedroom. Men just don't man up in there. They don't want to hurt us or push us, which is nice... but gets stressful.

In a recent study conducted by social psychologist Diana Sanchez, she gathered data to support her claim that when men are subconsciously reminded of sex they suppress dominant thought. She suggests, “[Men] may have internalized social mores prescribing respect for women’s sexual wishes:”

…Men first saw a sex related term (climax, oral) or a neutral term (table, brick) for a fraction of a second, then had to decide whether a string of letters was a real word. Subjets were slower to recognize words associated with dominance (coerce, fierce) as real words if they’d been primed with the sexy words than the neutral ones.

much to chew on.

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your mom on a stick covered in chocolate.

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She sounds like fun. She sounds like she wants you to man up and give her a challenge.

Be the guy who isn't slobbering all over her. Hang out with her, and keep a strong sexual frame, but show absolutely no needyness... other than sharing your need to impact the world. You should seem like a guy who is in charge and has dreams.... but you should also seem like a guy who DOES NOT NEED her. It will be fun for her.

Just practice with her. Play a little hard to get, but rock her socks off. She'll appreciate it, you'll be learning and having fun.

If it doesn't work out, well, at least you used her to learn something new rather than chicken out and learn zip.

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Camp as in acts slightly gay, girly, silly, while still being straight.
[youtube]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=swNoNDoJcSA[/youtube]

This is the most obvious example of what I mean. Obviously the person I am helping out isnt anywhere near that extreem.
Personally I think its detromental to game, it doesnt give off the masculine vibe. However, what would you suggest to do diferently? (he has very good voice tone and BL, unlike in the example).

Madals