Hey all,

Ok I was out sargeing with a couple of mates last night and one of them did something I thought was pretty uncool, but I am new to all this, so maybe I still don’t understand all the wingman rules. Before I start, I had had problems with this guy in the past about him building his social value at my expense by him trying to put himself above me in the eyes of the girl, and We had just had a discussion about it earlier that night.

Ok, as I said I am new to this, so I took out a couple of cheat sheets with the cube and palm reading. I was taking to a girl that was only a 5.5 and wasn’t trying to pick her up, only working on my material. I opened the idea about asking about her hobbies and she responded with asking about mine. So I talked about a couple of sports, but lead into that I have just started studying things like human psychology and psychic abilities, blah blah blah. I started out with a 3/7 psychic group game, which she and I got the same numbers and from there I had brought out some new things with me and could I try it with her? The whole story legitimized the reason for having a print out. (Please bear in mind that this wasn’t a pick up, just getting my material down and I learn by doing).

So I did the cube and about ¾ of the way through, one of the guys I was out with came in and started Amoging the set! He started like (about the paper)
‘Hey! What’s that? What’s that?’
Me: wait dude
Him: No! What’s that? Give it to me!
Me: Chill dude.
Him: No tell me what it is!
Me: fine, it’s the cube.
Him: What???? The Cube?! You printed it out?! That’s mine! (like he had invented it)
Me: Dude, chill out!

Right about now the girls phone rang and she got up and left the table. Right in front of her male friend (only friend, not B/F):
Him (mate): What were you doing that for?
Me: just trying to learn how to do it.
Him: well it didn’t work! You didn’t pick her up! She got up and left! You failed!
At this point her male friend looked at me all pissed off coz he thought I was just a cool guy trying something out and now thought I was trying to pick up to his friend.
Me: dude I wasn’t trying to pick her up, I was just learning how to do it!
Him: No you failed!
Me: (at this point I had had enough) Dude what the fuck? Why are you Amoging me? That’s not cool!

Right about here the girl returned, apologized about the phone call and said the cube thing was cool. I then did a palm reading (working on some kino) and she seemed pretty happy with it all.

Anyway, was my mate being uncool, or do I not get the wingman thing by allowing him to build himself at my expense? I’m thinking of giving this guy one more chance, but with a warning that next time I’m gonna blow him out by telling him to go fuck himself in front of everyone.

Ideas and opinions?

Lev

Never talk to that asshole ever again.

Jesus CHRIST.

Continue winging with him? He's lucky you didn't punch him out. I would have.

yea, he isnt a wing. a wing doesnt hurt your game, a wing helps your game.

tell him to piss off. seriously, it sounds like you could do better solo. not kidding.

yea thats what I was thinking.
The other thing he did was this. he works in a HiFi shop and i went in to say hello. He was talking to a middle age couple about PUA (What for? They were married. It's not like they were gonna go sarging with him) and when he saw me he said to them 'Oh this is Bart. He is one of my students' which:
1) was him putting himself above me (again what for? It's not like he was trying to pick up)
2) giving out my personal info. I don't want people to know about my being a PUA unless I tell them. Thats my stuff.

So I show him some photos of a girl I K-closed at the Brisbane Lair's Newbies night and he says 'Bart just went to a Newbies night in Brisbane' which again put him above me coz I was only a newbie. Then he looks at the photos and of which there are 4, 1 of the group without me, then the group with me and then 2 of my target planting a big juicy kiss on my cheek and he says 'You know, its not a k-close unless its on the lips' like i failed.

That's what I had called him out on earlier last night. When I said 'You were trying to build your social value at my expence' he said 'Yeah thats what wingmen do. They take the hits to make you look better' then made a big performance like I was worng about my attitude towards taking the hits.

So you all think I should tell him to fuck off huh?

I think you should tell him to fuck off...

... after you kick the crap out of him.

Yes you should stop talking to him. This guy is a full-on uberchode, he probably sucks at pickup, and he'll only drag you down.

He sure as HELL doesn't understand the role of a wingman. Wingmen support each other. They cover each others' logistics, pump each others' states, and generally try to make pickup easier for both of them.

Doing what he's doing is not only bad for you, it's counterproductive for him.

And telling those old people about PU and how you were his "student"... Jesus...

Don't talk to this guy ever again. Block his phone number, don't go where he hangs out, nothing. Just stay away from him.

Thanks for the info guys. Now I KNOW he was in the wrong, he's out. I also had a chat with one of the head guys from the brissy Lair to see what he thought about it all, and he also said ditch him.

Damn I need to find a good PUA to wing with and learn the pick up steps/wing system. hmmmmmmmmm.

Again thanks all.

He sounds like a complete dick. The worst thing you could do is to show that it bothers you... the second being actually letting it bother you anyway.

Just ignore him, and shrug it off if he does happen to tag along with you. As long as he doesn't get under your skin and you're ignoring him altogether then people will see straight through him for the dick that he is.

An update on all this. I just spoke to another PUA buddy that sarges with this guy and he did it to him last night too. My friend had been working on a chick all night, she was into him and everything was going great. he was just about to close her when the dick came in, amoged him and blew the set. Yeah gotta have a serious fuck off chat. GRRRRRRRRRRR!

Don't even listen to him anymore. Take all three of his man cards for that.

Yeah give him the talk. I wouldn't even talk with him after most of that.

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Looks like everyone else here holds the same opinion I do. This guy obviously doesn't understand what a wing is, and he is doing nothing but dragging you down and holding you back. He seems like he wouldn't be the best person to consider as a friend either .

Never talk with this guy again he's only hurting you

This guy seems to think a wingman is someone he takes with him to big himself up at their expense. Kick his ass and tell him to hit the curb (or kill two birds with one stone and curb stomp him).

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You know if you wanna be an ass about it you can AMOG his sets. Revenge is a dish best served cold I say, and this guy deserves to get some of his own medicine.

Hahaha yeah I understand about the revenge thing, but I did have a bit of an anger problem, so now I remove things that affect my zen. Hehehe.

Nah I am gonna tell this guy i'm not gonna sarge with him any more, explain why and tell him to stay away if we meet each other in a club. I am in the p@rocess of finding some new wings.

What I really need is an experienced PUA to take me under his wing and show my the ropes. I can open and close easily, but need to work on my mid game. Hehehe.