Hello everyone!

I'm a funny, interesting (sometimes( but not nearly enough) extremely confident) guy yet sadly I'm an AFC. and have my own "oneitis". I've spent the past 2 months gaming this girl and let me tell you she is a funny fish! Power is constantly shifting between us. Sometimes she has control and sometimes i'm in control. Yet i can never tell if she likes me or not! and she doesn't seem to be giving me any signals.

When i kino her, i get no responce, i negged and C and F'd way too far one time and she thought i was being genuinely mean! I kept thinking to myself :"fuck i've negged/ c and f'd too much now i need to reward her! right? " i asked her if she wanted a hug and she said no (perhaps i shouldn't have asked and just gone for it).

It feels like i'm so socially akward and although i can laugh with her and we can talk for fairly long lengths of time(due to me saying anything off the top of me head) . I don't want to push my luck for the fear of ruining everything. I have no idea how to esculate the frendship to something more.

Another thing that makes it hard is that she is busy busy busy. i can never seem to isolate her.

i think the reason i seem so stuck is that she doesn't respect me.( because of my lack of competence academically and in general)( don't get me wrong i'm a smart guy i just don't apply myself)

Any time sexual tention builds it is broken by me or he bursting into laughter.

And to make it worse I've bullshited my way to the high heavens with her!
making up all this crap about all the women i get, and how popular i am with the ladies in general in an attempt to get her to realise that i'm "in demand" so she'll be more attracted to me"

In terms of proper "flirting" between us -> she never flirts! ever! so i'm lost

oh and one more thing. If i was girl interesting in a guy i would want to try and be around that person as much as possible, well she never lurks, or takes up any oppertunity i give her to spend additional time with me
=("

She never talks about guys in general! Actually after writing this out i've come to the conclussion that she must be lesbian which would definately explain why she didn't instantly show that she was attracted to me ( im kidding btw)

shes not a lesbian. Just a very funny. cool interesting girl who i would love to develope a relationship with.

any advice would be much appreciated.





Possible advice: "stop focusing on her, go for other girls.

Note: i'm a disaster with girls. the very fact that i have got to this stage with any girl is a god send!! it could take AGES to get to this stage with any other girl." PLus i'm really only interested in her. ( And yes i'm aware that this is afk mentality. It sickens me too but don't sorry i'm slowly growing out of it. I learn from experience and soon il wake up and realise that i need to get out there start meeting all kinds of women)

GFT... wait...
Yeah, GFTOW. It doesn't take that long for a girl to start liking you. You'll probably find sleeping with some random girl that you just met EASIER than sleeping with this one.

I don't know exactly what you may be doing wrong in your approaches because I haven't seen you in person, but you may need to tone down your energy level and improve your calibration, as well as stop seeking reactions from people. And qualifying yourself.

Although that's just a guess, because I don't actually know what your sticking points are. :/

I think you have a couple of basic problems. Constructive criticism time!

1) You sound complicated. "HOLY LEMONS I NEED HELP!" Is a very... "different," attention getter. "She is a funny fish..." I can't help but think that some of this unpopular attitude is channeled into your daily life.

I would suggest lowering your energy, you might even need to go as far as dumbing-down your conversation. You'd be surprised how easily girls get lost in headspace. (even the hot/intelligent ones)

2) You came off too interesting. You need to limit the DHV stories, she has probably seen through the lies.

You really only need to use a few DHV's. The idea is to nail the girl in the first 7-12 hours of meeting her. Not if you met her at 8pm then F-closed at
4am the next morning. Which leads me to my next point.

3) You won't pull the trigger. "I've spent the past 2 months gaming this girl.." and "Any time sexual tensions build... it's broken by laughter" This sounds like 1 if not both of you are breaking the awkwardness.

4) Your kino is off. Even the most socially inept women respond to DECENT kino escalation.

Lookup kino escalation on youtube. Personally, I think Gambler has done the best kino work to date.

5) You think too much. Re-read your whole first paragraph, there's your proof.

Deep down inside all of us, there is a monster. A pussy getting, ass kicking, innate, primal instinct to fuck. You let the feminism in our society get to you. Don't be ashamed of that monster, let it out, girls love it.

I agree with diesel. But there's no need to quote his whole post. we know what you're referring to.

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It was a power struggle from the start and i managed to get the higer ground but because of my following mistakes she has the higher status now (yet she still does big tasks for me (which i don't understand)

My mistakes that lost me power.

- she didn't respect me

-I think she kind of knew that i was lieing about some of my DHV stories

-I gave her way to many IOI's when talking to her and gave her 100% of my attention when i was near her and she called for me.

-I wasn't busy enough. I lied saying: I do X,Y and Z all the time and have very little time but it came down to it i was always hanging around just talking to people which showed i obviously wasn't busy at all.
i completely agree! thanks for the advice diesal... i over think everything, you too stormy if only i could acomplish the task you've givin me



I've made so many mistakes... the biggest one is letting this whole thing go on for 2 whole months before i made a move( and i still havn't made a move) ! and not only that but after 2 months! my kino escalation is awful. for example i couldn't even go up and hug her / lift her up/ tickle . (hand on her back/ arm is as far as i've gotten.)

I think its time to pack it up. learn from this whole experience, analyis my entire game and make sure i never make the same mistakes again.


i would love to unleash that inner PUA master inside of me. I feel that i'm getting closer but i'm still a long way from that goal.

Well i'm still young (19) hopefully by the age of 22 maybe i'll have completely mastered the art of pick up and not only pick up but just social interaction in general.

Biggest thing i've learned is that first impressions are everything... i wish i could rewind 2 months and start over

Thanks for the advice guys.

Hmmm, idk. Im 19 too and have been at this for almost a year, and I have had the time of my life. Just stick with it, its worth it in the end.

For now just push yourself, and if you can learn from your own mistakes you would be ahead of half the people on this forum.

Game On!

Ok so i go out last night thinking that i should move on from this oneitis thing and so i do( well at least i tried too)



1st encounter

HB7 over at bar

Grab her drink out of her hands.

Me: I'll take that (in a confident tone)
Her: gives me the most shocked and disgusted look ever!
Me: ok fine you can have it back. If you ask nicely enough.
Her: Gimmy my fuckin drink now!!
Me: *gulp* Wow who's doing the charming here me or you?
Her: *Grabs the drink back from me.* *Big sigh*
Me: Are you... never mind. (whats the pioint) *i walk away*


Group of dancing Hb6-7's

Me: Girls you know usually people actually like to dance to the beat in clubs

Them: Haha yeah well we don't see you dancing
Me: Na i'm too good I'd only make you all look bad
*1 of the 2 girls goes to the bar* (2 left)
1st girl: Yeah right
Me: Ok we'll i don't want to embarress you but i do need an opinion.
"My friend just bought 2 puppies and she doesn't know what to name them? Any ideas. They're both boys and brothers by the way.
1st girl: Barna and like... Garfield (wtf? remind me never to take her advice)
2nd Girl: Maybe... Em... i don't know.

1st Girl: OK we'll we're go meet up with the rest of our friends so c ya.


Thats how the majority of them work out. The girl/ girls lose interest and even when i c and f and kino and god knows what else it just doesn't seem to work.

I'm aware of the hook> "I've noticed something really interesting about you" to maintain interest

But i can't use that until mid to end conversation. So yeah im lost. It just doesn't seem to be working for me.

Plus the club really isin't my scene. Its loud and the girls tend to be low quality girls or stuck up HB10's.

any suggestions as to how i could keep a females interest in me?

The only way I see this opener working is if you time it right. You can ask the bartender (out of target's earshot) to make you what she's having. That way, when you pull this ballsy move, your drink should be arriving right about the time she gets all sad her drink is gone. Adding a "I was saving you from backwash!" would put some sorely needed humor into your opener. You're both a prick and her knight in shining armor at the same time.

Opening with a neg ('neg' being a stretch - sounded like an outright insult to me) starts off a set on the wrong foot. I think that if you're going to neg first, you should follow up immediately with your own IOI so they don't think you came out to the dance floor just to talk crap.
Try some day sarging. You don't always have to be in a club to pick up girls. 'Stuck up HB10's' to me are the ones I personally aspire to close sometime soon. Women, no matter how stuck up or how hot, are still deep down insecure little girls. No woman's chasity should be safe around you! Did you read the first post in the Newbie Pointers sticky? If not, you should, if so, you should read it again.

Women, expecially hot women, have layers of defenses to protect them from getting hurt. You've got to get through them, which is why this community exists.

thanks for the advice