I find myself reading the material but not applying?



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:15 am 
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I wil be honest .. i have pretty much read everyones material out there James Matthews, slade shaw, joe barry, art of approaching, meetyoursweet and so many more and printed so many posts off this website and books which i found helpful ... TONS ..

i read some of it everyday before i go to sleep .. i am making this a habit ..

i have around an inch or two thick of 8*12 pages now . ALOT

i have read so much of the material but have a feeling that i am not applying it. if i try to recall i dont think i recall anything i read now. even right now i am trying to remember .. zilch .

so the problem is i am reading so much but not really applying or absorbing it to myself ........

NLP and Hypnosis is not working out for me either ... i try to listen to it but its always the same thing ... your getting relaxed your eyes get dim .... i guess i have listened to so many diff. hypnotists .. i am not just absorbing it


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:24 am 
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i wouldnt say reading alot is the best way. I would pick a method and just force yourself to go out and learn by doing. I read alot but it didnt change me until i forced my self to open sets just to learn how to open them. I would put the book down and go to the mall or whereever and try opening sets (while using what youve learned from the book) your going to fail alot when you first start, so get over it and just start doing it.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:01 am 
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Sounds to me like you're over loading yourself. I was guilty of that once myself. I read so much it just became a jumble of info. Starting off I'd just pick one book of one style and start there. Take it in steps with just approaching and being able to hold a friendly conversation.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:26 am 
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This definitely sounds like paralysis by analysis. Here's an analogy that I think might help. When I was preparing for my GMAT several years ago (that's the test you've got to write to go to MBA school), I went out and bought a bunch of those guide books and read them front to back. When I was writing the practice tests, I was constantly trying to process everything I crammed in my head, forcing myself to change the way I think, so I froze and ran out of time. Consequently, my scores sucked (low 70s). I eventually got fed up and said "no more books". I took a week off and just wrote another practice test relying on what came naturally. The stuff I read in those guide books still actually came in handy, but I was instead relying on them to smooth out any rough edges in my natural thought process instead of trying to completely reshape myself according to what they said. The result? I scored a 97% on the GMAT and got a scholarship that paid for half my MBA.

Now I think it's pretty obvious how this applies to pickup, but I'll say it anyhow. I think almost all of the mPUAs on this forum (I'm okay, but I'm not going to pretend I'm one of them...) will attest that no matter what, you are eventually going to have to rely on your natural personality and style - there's no way around this. All of the books, forums, and advice are great, but they can't substitute for experience. The key is to throw yourself out there, assess what went wrong, and then use all of these resources to polish the rough spots. Obviously, if your "natural self" sucks (I love that line from the Billy Bob Thornton pick-up movie), you've got a lot more work and polishing to do. However, I think more people would get more out of these materials by actually minimizing their reliance on them and using them opportunistically.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:50 am 
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^^^^
excellent advice.

you might've also read about guys becoming social robots. this is mainly due to just constantly reading and applying and not actually having any personality anymore. beware.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:57 pm 
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honestly my problem isnt picking up girls anymroe ..... i am okay with talking to girls .. i can hold conversation and talk for hours if i have the proper mindset which only comes after i do something really really great or exciting ... like when i come out of the gym i am so hyper i could go up to any girl and say ANYTHING .

my problem honestly is being too self concious if not too concious .. hyperventillating when i come across people i perceive as aggresive ..

here is me going to school : i would have music all the way up . i will be enjoying my way up there singing -being myself .. then i pull up. then i walk down the hallway to my class. then i start hyperventillating ----then i would start walkin fast--my eyes would get shifty. after when i am in class its all good again.


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honestly my problem isnt picking up girls anymroe ..... i am okay with talking to girls .. i can hold conversation and talk for hours if i have the proper mindset which only comes after i do something really really great or exciting ... like when i come out of the gym i am so hyper i could go up to any girl and say ANYTHING .

my problem honestly is being too self concious if not too concious .. hyperventillating when i come across people i perceive as aggresive ..

here is me going to school : i would have music all the way up . i will be enjoying my way up there singing -being myself .. then i pull up. then i walk down the hallway to my class. then i start hyperventillating ----then i would start walkin fast--my eyes would get shifty. after when i am in class its all good again.
Yea know, i had the same problem back in Middle School-mid highschool, mainly becuase i was used to getting pushed around alot. So any one i precieved as a threat, basically any bully/big guy, i'd go into fight or flight mode. What it boiled down to was not being at all confident in myself.
My cure: Worked my ass off every day for 3 years to get stronger and began training in a martial art. Then i went out got certed to be a lifeguard and then got certed to teach swimming (i.e. I learned social shit)
The result: I was more confident around every one i met. I wasn't as afraid of people.
Sure i still have anxiety issues and shit with bullies, but thats jus cuz i cut my lesson short at 6 months.

Basically what i'm trying to tell yea is you have to find out why your panicing like you are and find out how to fix it. To me it sounds like you don't have enough confidence, so you need to things that will build it.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:04 pm 
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you are right . i have confidence but its just not that enough. i leach off of weak people or people i dont perceive as a threat to me. i did get pushed around alot which did a number on my confidence. when i was young b/c i wasnt that strong and was very self concious of my accent.


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