Okay, i've established i'm good with women, this isn't bragging rights but its how it is, my boys (2 of them) are not as good as me, basically true AFC's they believe that wining and dining women is the way to their heart's and all that crap, it hasnt worked for them yet! well anyway they get women to be fair but i'd rate them (5's) at most 7's. I dont want to be stuck with them not getting women and dragging me down with them, they do not know what it means to be (bro's before hoe's) one is constantly trying to wind us both up by taking the piss out of any little thing we do (the insecure one) and the other takes his side because he doesn't want to get taken the piss out of, and it makes us look soooo AFC its unbelieveable, and i hate feeling like a chump!

Thing is I am alpha male of my group, should I just start introducing the women i dont want to them? I could join another group of lads where i would be a dominant male but not alpha and they get women and are like the popular group in college but they're not well liked by the other lads in college.

I dont want to kick my mates but i have to think about number 1 as selfish as that may sound, if not how can you advise me on getting them to realise that takin the piss out of each other is not the way forward, makes us look like chumps and if we stuck together we could pick up some serious women, they no nothing about the game and i have NO plans to introduce them to it either, they would take the complete piss

Thanks lads

Well if your friends are dick heads, then fuck that son. But if there "real friends" that you trust and honestly think there good friends but bad with woman then stick with them, and if that been the case, just find other puas in your area and join them. If they're truly good friends that'll bail you out when your in trouble don't go judging them. but if they bash on you alot and are negative i don't think thats a friend in my books. Remember, always go after ur dreams and eventually you'll have enough money for your sex change...jk.

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"Crushing requires a crushing mood" Miyamoto Musashi

oh and don't waste your energy on trying to convince them to join you on suduction, i think you already gave them the information about pua and stuff right? Cause they have to commit themselves from the inside, so you trying to push this pua thing on them would be useless. Be friends with them, but find other puas in your city that have the same goal as you, that way you guys can go after what you want. If you live in a small town i would prob just solo it bro, i mean Casanova used to solo it.

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"Crushing requires a crushing mood" Miyamoto Musashi

You sir sound like a douchebag.

Lol and your hard coming on forums and leaving comments like that...

if you seek a thrill i would go and play on the motorway tbh,

I had this same predicament recently.

I split the 2 guys. The one who saw what I could do and wanted to learn how to. I kept in contact with. Consequently he has become a very good wing and I've seen his results improve dramatically. Im no mPUA, but it's fun to have someone to bounce ideas off when in set. And I'll admit I get a sense of satisfaction from helping him.

The other who was in a LTR, but more than that, was really down on me/others actually getting on with girls. Especially if they were good looking. He was ultimately jealous and he would sabbotage interactions. I dropped him.

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Its annoying isn't it, he constantly will poke at me and will not ever stop, even if he over steps the line, and hes supposed to be a mate, but the thing is he really is quality apart from them stupid comments

It is important to realize that the strength of friendships can grow and die. Friends that you used to consider your best friends can just become aquaintances if you move away, become busy with other things, and as you meet new people. It is a natural part of the cycle. People change and so do the nature of friendships. If there is a natural force weakening your friendship, maybe that is meant to happen for a reason. You are becoming a new person.

That said, never burn bridges unless you have to. There is no need to dump your friends and never talk to them again unless they severely harmed you. Just let the friendship fizzle down; it is not your job to try and change them to fit in with your new personality. But you shouldn't just dismiss them completely.

why kick them. I mean I have many friends some are good at picking up, some are afc's.. my best friends are more of afc's.. So what? If I go out I go out with them and also can call other friends to join the night out.. And I can game women with those pua friends while my afc friends are just chiling around and stuf like that

Honestly I think you're taking advantage of being considered the alpha male of the group. Your buddies probably look to you for help, and guidance. This in itself establishes you as the leader of men so it's going to be a bit easier for you to open sets. Yet you will only be able to get mediocre girls with that type of game. Quality tens expect your buddies to have as much value as you do, and if your focus is only yourself you will have a harder time getting quality women.

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This is the part of PUA's which I really am starting to find pathetic. You're contemplating dropping your friends because you've learned a few lines and routines. Does that not sound ridiculous to you? They're your friends. Congrats on improving and being much better than them at picking up girls, but if you truly know what you're doing you should be fine going out and picking up girls with them.

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I suffer the exact same problem as you, but like people are saying, it means you can automatically be alpha male of your group, and if your group joins another, its easier to AMOG the whole new group, as your mates already subcontiously (spelling shit) see you as the alpha

just get the HBs away from your mates and alone with you as fast as practicable, and work on them yourself. Turn your disadvantage into an advantage

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AA? : In life, it's the man who is willing to die, who always wins.

Anyway, your situation sounds similar to mine. We're always the same, it's natural to take the piss and have a laugh it's what we all do just keep going out with your mates as normal but DON'T force any PuA shit on them, don't even talk about it, if they're curious they'll ask.

Do as I do, just continue as usual when hanging out or you're out for a drink and pool or whattever, if you see a girl that catches your eye then pursue her.

I had some pretty annoying problems with the lads acting up a few months back, it even got specifically directed at me when I ejected in a nice way out of a set of girls for the honest reason that they weren't as attractive up close (shallow I know, slate me all you want), of course my friends didn't believe it, hehe they found it quite funny. No more than two minutes later a group of hot girls walked past and the guys didn't see me for the rest of the night .

Anyway since then we've gone out as usual but they don't get in my way or try to heckle me when I go off to do my thing

BASICALLY if you don't let them bother you then they won't even try, there's no need to physically shun them away, if they're your friends leave them for a night to be with a girl or whattever, they'll always be there when you get back. Just don't abuse the privelage.

Id get rid of all of your AFC friends.

If your truly looking to make that major transformation you can't be around people that put your mood down or arnt as cool! you can't hang with those types of people. As time goes on you will have less and less in common with them.

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Back, starting over as of 2012.

How good of friends are these guys? If you are talking about some friends you've had since "way back", then I wouldn't ditch that loyalty. But you may find yourself deciding whether or not to invite them out in social scenes.

On one hand, you have an obligation to help friends better themselves. Sometimes they may be reluctant at first because they are comfortable with getting those 5s and think there is nothing wrong with what they do. But, if you show them a glimmer of light into the world of being a PUA, maybe that will gain their interest. Soon enough they should be asking you the questions of "how".

On the other hand, they may be too stubborn and lack the confidence to move up in the world. You give them the bait, they throw it back. You can only do so much with that kind of person. Those are the kind of people you hang out with on limited occasions (bowling, basketball, lunch, dinner, etc...). Nothing that involves being social with anyone who has a vagina outside of your inner circle, because its not worth your time.

So in the end you have to choose whether its worth your time. Because time is valuable, but friends are valuable too. I mean hey, those could be the guys who help you out on Saturday afternoons when you need to have your house moved. They might ask for a pizza in return, but you can't replace those kind of friends.

Thats just my take...

- chance