Hey guys,

I'm having a problem translating my game into clubs.

I have no problems approaching, talking, C&F, comfort and attraction - so long as the girl can hear me! But in clubs I find it much more difficult to approach girls, and once you do there's not much to it: you just shout words into each others ears for a minute or two. How do I build anything in that sort of situation?

So I guess somehow you move things more quickly, and go dancing, but yeah, I'm not quite sure what the best way to proceed in clubs is.

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Day Game not working in clubs eh?

There a million reasons why Club Game is a different kettle of fish. Im sure if you do a word search on this Forum you'll get your answers.

The basic reason club game doesn't work in Nightclubs, is women's psychology in such places- its Social Competition.

AFC Men go out to get laid- End of story, that is their fanatasy.
Women on the other hand look for the top 1% of guys who have the most Social Proof with Females. How do they guage a man's Social Proof?
The amount of females who are into a guy they're flirting with, the physical attractivenness of the girls (not the guy and the reaction of other girls in the club looking at the guy being gamed by girls.

I recommend you get something by Brad P on Club Game. He does an awesome audio CD I think you and many other can benefit from.
Either buy it (or "Torrent" it) to get the full picture of how "Club Game" works and how you can make your own splash so girls are gaming you.

Not in the sense that you have to yell at them. But do as much as you can to be the party in the club. This means constantly smiling, big movements, and gaining the attention of the people around you. If you have the money. Try and be the big man at the bar. If possible, buying a bottle and setting up a booth sends abig message that you are the one everyone wants to be partying with. Once getting the girls attention and drawing them over, regular game day should work fine. If this isn't working, make sure you're a good dancer. NEVER upstage the girl at dancing though, she'll feel insecure and not attractive and want nothing to do with you.

You don't ever want to ask a girl is she wants to dance with you. Show leadership skills and make people smile and laugh see my dance game workshop video


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxS44mYbU0

I find that night clubs and dancing go well together and help you more in a way. Dancing and loud music force you to be closer to your target when you talk. Like not yelling but speaking up in her ear. It's harder to show disinterest since you have to be so close, but that is sometimes compensated for by early and fast kino escalation.

day game is easy... find a 1-set, ignore the rest of the world and game her...

club game is more about strategy. in club game you sarge the whole club basically. because everybody will see you!!!
never lean in when the music is loud. let her lean into you. first talk loud and let her lean in a bit to hear you, then when she leans in a bit, reel her in more: talk a bit softer so she leans in more.
i can make it look like the girl is gaming me, even though i opened her... i use all kinds of dirty tricks so it looks like she's chasing me and other girls see this.

also when opening: open them over your shoulder, you facing side-ways, them with their front to you. never pull a girl to you to open her.

when its too loud to say anthing, just open her with a gesture, from a safe distance. stand 2 meters / 7 feet from her and just make a gesture like "whats up with you girl"... and she'll be like "what???" and then you get a little closer (still distance) and say something out loud that she cant hear anyway! if she's interested she'll be agian like "what?" and comes to you to hear again what ever you said before....

NEVER LEAN IN!!!!!

AND NEVER WALK TO GIRLS DIRECTLY, JUST STUMBLE UPON THEM (over the shoulder).

walking to girls directly is lowering your value, dont do that. you are the most important one, they should walk to you!!! open guys or UGs if you having nothing to do, always be occupied... always stay in convo, never stare, never pause, always have fun!!!

Never lean in?

Leaning in is what makes leaning out effective.

Lean in, "What's ur name"

She leans in . . . but you lean out, "blah blah blah" (This means she's got to lean in more to make herself heard)

You lean in, "I'm sorry, what's ur name again?"

Now it's her to lean in. . .

Doing nothing but this type of back and forth can lead to a k close.

Never walk to girls directly? Never stare?

Not sure what type of book or seminar teaches this but I disagree. You catch a girl's eye and you stare at her like there's no other girl in the club but her. You smile. Then you make a dumb dramatic walk towards her. She's thinking, "Holy shit, he's walking over here. Is he? Maybe not . . .I bet he is." You can see her fix her hair, look away, look back at you, fix her shirt, etc . . .

OK correction:

you can only stare at her if she already likes you, otherwise you look like just another creep
if you have AI (approach invitation), then of course go ahead and stare and walk to her directly.... just qualify her and she's yours. but thats too easy.

i was only talking about cold approaches. and you dont go directly to them on cold approach. at least not with 2+ sets in high-value-clubs where there are no 1-sets, you'll be snubbed there if you do that in general (although there is always an exception that doesnt)

back and forth leaning in, i dont like that. it looks nerdy: its too much nervous movements

just imagine 3 things:

1 guy leaning back, the chick leaning in (=looks like the girl is gaming him and not only the others think this way, the girl will even secretly think this way, although she doesnt know why)
1 guy leaning in, the chick leaning back (=guy wants to seduce her, she doesnt want it)
1 guy and 1 girl, going back and forth with leaning in (neutral, but also kind of nerdy because they are moving that much. cool people dont move that quickly).

sometimes you have to lean in back&forth though if she is unresponsive to immediately lean into you... i try to keep it to a minimum and i try to transition that into her leaning into me and me leaning back. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS TRANSITION INTO THAT! (if you do your bodylanguage right) its always better

and if you have to lean in back&forth, at least do it super slowly and fully relaxed (like the slow moving alpha male you are) and dont move so quickly&nervous that you bump each others head! because i see nerds doing this all the time!! avoid that!
if you move really slowly towards her, she might even be so anxious (she cant wait) that she will lean into you at the same time... this actually always happens...
i'm just saying that the more you avoid&delay leaning in, the more good stuff is going to happen for you

every girl in a club has a bitch shield up. the whole idea with them is to false disqualify while giving DHV. personally my club game owns my day game.. strangely enough.

false disqualification comes in many factors. as a beginner do these, most likely in order.

-opinion approach opener(not direct opener). act as if you are just walking by and need to randomly get an opinion of the group or set. stay sideways, talk over the shoulder, if you get any IOI, then turn into the group. usually this needs to be within the first 30 secs.

-false time constraint. mention either with words or with body language that you will only be there for a short time. when random people approach you, it is akward because they do not know you. the best way to move beyond that akwardness is imply you are going to leave soon. then after you DHV yourself, they SHOULD now want you to say, because you are an interesting person. you can even continue to FTC and test to see if they chase or try and stop you. huge IOI.

-neg your target and ignore her(usually the better looking girl) this creates a sense of disinterest. the friends (and target) get the sense you arent there to hit on them, but are instead there to chat briefly. also be aware though, that this simultaneously creates attraction between you and the target. the more you neg/show disinterest while at the same time giving higher value, will make her want you more.


The whole goal of all of this, is to first imply you are NOT there to hit on them. you get pretty girls all the time, you dont need to talk to them. they just happen to be there. you become friendly with the obstacles and make them like you while simultaneously ignoring the target, making the target want to prove herself to you. as i mentioned before, girls in clubs have their guard up because they are in a high traffic place. if you come along and start nice day game, they just assume you are the usual asshat trying to hit on them so they immediately try to discard you if they arent already physically attracted. so you need to bust through that bitch barrier by showing disinterest and negs.

as for the loud music, just be loud. dont scream, but have a good voice. as natural as it may be to lean... 3 or 4 inches of a lean is NOT going to help your voice travel any better. just stand at a casual distance to not cause akwardness and talk loudly. even in the loudest clubs it is still possible to hear over the music if a person speaks loudly enough.

thats pretty much the best way to start out in club game. once you reach that point, you are in A3 and good to go on possible kiss close.

There's A LOT of stuff in this thread I don't agree with. Here's my piece.

Girls go to clubs to have their states pumped. They like music, they like dancing, they like booze, and they really like attention.

Bitch shields are largely a myth. If you're catching them, it's because your approach is weak. Your energy is too low, you're nervous, and you're bringing the girls' state down. It's like the girls are on a roller coaster, enjoying the high speeds and crazy flips and turns, and all of a sudden the roller coaster stops and some guy tries to sell them insurance.

LAME.

You can't be James Bond in a club. You can't be acting like you're too cool to have fun. Nor can you rely on verbal game; girls go to clubs to dance and get physical, not to talk. The talky part can come later.

You've got to come in with an energy level slightly higher than that of the girls. You've got to be having even more fun than they are, and you've got to let them join your party. Yes, you will have to dance with them.

There isn't much in the way of technique that will help you here. This is inner game stuff. You've got to let go.

i see what you are saying here, and it is ture, you MUST come in with a higher energy level. something that in day game will make you look weird. however, you do NOT have to dance. typically the "lets go dance" is a way to get away from the guy, not bring him along. ive done a lot of routine and pickup and i have never danced/baught drinks for girls for the purpose of picking up. i DO dance with girls, dont get me wrong, but thats when i WANT to dance, not as a part of pickup. its a good way to escilate the pickup sexually but it can backfire just as easily because it always seems that a friend is left out, and pulls the target away.

I personally love clubs and I went to them all the time when I was abroad in London so i'll share some interesting stuff I learned.

As you can probably tell theres a lot of different styles going into night game. I'll agree with others that it is important to have more energy than the girl, but DO NOT make it too much. I've seen fellow guys go in with too much energy that it either overwhelms or just plain scares off the girls.

The key to closing in a club is isolation. Get her alone and spend some quick 1 on 1 time to show that you are not just some other chump trying to get into her pants. Some guys have the charisma to go in direct, but this takes time and some tight inner game.

Since it is so loud, I always meet the girls up near the bar where its usually quieter and you can move to the dance floor later with her if you so choose.

Open with a simple opinion opener and a FTC. Engage her in conversation by: how you think the relationship between that guy and girl is holding up, fuck/marry/kill game, talking about how that guy over there is such a creeper, whats the worst pickup line they have heard...the topics are plentiful! You just need to convey to her that you are cool guy whos having fun and not some sketchy dude just trying to get his dick wet

When you get this initial connection move her to a quieter area of the bar/club and bring up some more comfort. Escalate kino while performing some cold reads and whatnot. K-close if you've played your cards right...the rest is history

You have to be the MAN and lead her to where YOU want!!

Theres too much on this topic to talk about it all right now, but I hope this helps!

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opening:
you need higher energy to open. look at the set and see their energy level, just go slightly above that. never overdo the energy to the extreme (then you are a weirdo).
(if your energy level is too low, then they will not notice you / so they will ignore you)
not only your energy, but also your frame must be strong. if there is any insecurity showing, it is a chance for them to ignore you or dislike you.
your frame should be strong enough that if they ridicule you or try to brush you off that you wont even feel it and you brush that off / laugh it off and continue... you will only leave if they are not worthy / they bore you/ ther are not cool enough for YOU. sometimes you have to eject, but at least make it look like any innocent observer (adjecent set) would say of you: the cool guy gave them a chance for a conversation, but they acted stupid and they lost him of course, they lost their chance... now he's enjoying better company already (next set) and the girls of the previous set are still looking at him like "fuck we lost him, why did we act so stupid?"... never make it look like you are a creep or try-hard-loser-player..etc.. (this is possible)

if you have to approach a diffucult set, you bring a friend (preferably a girl) to validate your question. just ask the question to your friend before and say what will those girls think???? lets ask

if you open more than 3 sets, also open males (its also good to do it with less than 3 sets btw). dont open just 100% females or people will be on to you. make sure you open 50% males as well, so females think that you talk to everybody (=social guy, probably knows lots of people so low chance he is interested in her) instead of "every girl" (=frustrated needy guy, desperate enough to take ANY chick). big difference!


people (future sets) see everything you do in a club, remember that!

THe best thing I have found in club game is to use the bar to your advantage, everyone is there to get a drink and get back to their friends and as soon as they have got their drink they will leave, as will you (actual time constraint).
Then you have situational openers a plenty, maybe a guy buys a cocktail, or you ask what drink you should get, what drink they are getting, make a statement about how long it is taking etc.
Naturally you are in close proximity to the person and if it is a packed bar have the choice of facing them or facing away from them (enter over the shoulder convo).
Finally sets often go to the bar as a group or splinter set (hahahaha) and so you can invite them to join your group.

Few tips though avoid hanging out at the bar it is a total DLV and keep conversation to a natural feeling level, don't ask their life story when they are just after another drink. Finally remember you can sow and reap, if you build a little rapport now later you will probably run into them again and if you did the first stages they will recognize and open you, thus inviting you into their set with them onside already.

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