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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:34 am 
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The Key to become a better PUA - Part 1

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I'm back I took some time for myself, to think, meditate and I wanted to stay away for a bit, so here I am after a month or more away from the community, doing some Inner Game Visualizations and some deep thoughts about game and non-game stuff such as life, and stuff.

Anyway not feeling like typing a lot if anyone wants to know what happened in this few weeks visit my blog and read for yourself (freewebs.com/xfman).

The part That I really want to share about this time I took for myself is an important point, that has to do with Inner Game, most of you guys, know by theory that Inner Game is the base of a PUA game and the base of the Outer Game, if you don't have Inner Game you don't have Outer Game, things are like this (Ask god why... ).

After studying some Social Environments, Social Situations and reading some books during my Summer Work, I realized some stuff that was standing there in front of my nose, but I never noticed it, or maybe I never thought as it was a key to many stuff.

For the ones that know me in real life (Few in this forum) they know I have this mentality, this philosophy, that says;

"Everything depend on the perspective."

"Our mind is the most powerful tool we have and it can change and modify everything."

This thoughts or ideas I have had been influenced by some books, and stuff from others, of course this ideas have been around for years, but few actually can get them in the right way and just the 5% are available to use it and apply it.

This also bring out a great lien of NLP that says;

"The Map is not the Territory" and excellent statement that has to do a lot with the things I thought. (For the non-NLP followers this doesn't have to do with Hypnosis or stuff like that, this is a common term used to say that everything (reality) is interpreted by our senses and each person, can and interpret reality in different ways.) You can click here to learn more:
pick-up-artist-forum.com/a-few-mindsets-derived-from-nlp-vt2032.html

This Stated I can start saying that for every knowledge there are few steps and You sometimes you don't actually do or use what you have learn , there is a process where you have to internalize all the stuff you know to make an adaptation and make it work for you in a certain situation.

The human mind is so powerful. Why a guy that leaves in extreme poverty leave so happy?

"There are no Mistakes, only Lessons." -> Once again everything is about perspectives, the way you face problems and normal situations affect you , your midn and your surroundings, if your available to see every mistake, every failure in your game, in your life, you will be becoming a better PUA.

"The stupid persons learn form their mistakes, The smart persons learn form others mistakes." -> This is a tough one , it looks easy but its not , humans tend to learn from their own mistakes and their experience rules everything, If we are available to understand that others experiences can be useful to us in a certain situation we will be a step ahead.

These is just a guide to help everyone , From the new guy, The AFC, the Veteran PUA, everybody can use this and not only as a tool to improve our game, this is a guide to Self Improve each aspect of our lives.

"If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain. "

Life is much more.

Give me some Comments please, POST YOUR THOUGHTS; YOUR OPINION , I want everyone to Share a thought on this post, I want to make this a big post where we share our thoughts , toward game, relationships, life.

I don't care if you have 1 post , 3 , 5 or 200. OR if your a GUEST -> I want your opinion , I don't care if you have 1 point of reputation on 0.5 you will not be judged by your opinion, EXPRESS YOURSELF; SHARE YOUR KNOWLEDGE... PART 2 coming soon.

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I would suggest taking a look at epistemology (the theory of knowledge) for further thoughts on knowledge, experience, reality (though that's really the realm of metaphysics) and such. Some really good stuff can be found in philosophy that applies to game.

Also, it's good to have you back. We've never seen eye-to-eye exactly, but if you can find me a PUA who actually sees eye-to-eye with me on everything, you should make your living as a matchmaker.

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Here are my thoughts.

Sometimes i believe people stretch things into too much detail. At times you don't need to know how things work, only to know that they do work right and well in a certain way. People carry out too much information in my opinion, and ask questions that don't matter. And alot of it isnt really necessary. Next thing ill read puas posting about which side of the brain processes pickup artist routine and which side is afc and the medabolical equivalent of the tangent of the curvature of the sun as justification to the moons gravity of my Neg to the target.

Too much.

Heres a example, sometimes you look at a situation and things seem off. Until you realize what to look at and your brain finds out a way to do it right. Generally your brain will learn how to do things, all you need to give it is the right information and it will sort it and arrange it and figure out ure answers. To pickup to anything.

Take this picture for example

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look at the middle circle. Which one is bigger? what if i told you that they were both the exact same size. You probably didn't realize at first because you didn't know what to look at, and your brain didn't calibrate properly to the situation. If you look at 50 of these things eventually your brain will be able to differentiate different patterns socially, intellectually, physically, spiritually.. whatever.

IF you have
1.) The right information (reject wrong)
2.) Go out sarge, at least 3-4 days p/w, are social
3.) Never take things personally
4.) Learn from things
5.) Have fun

I don't think you can go wrong. All these PUA teachers who do seminars have seriously got 70% worth of un necessary logical rubbish in there. And 30% actual content. Look at Tyler D's seminar, the guy berly gives anything, and its all for a good reason. You have to naturally figure your way out, otherwise you just won't. In a socially defined world of emotions, logic doesn't do much. Because thats what it is, this is not a logical social world. We are on the woman terf, its as simple as that. They've won, a long time ago. What we need to do now is regain our value as men. Theres no way to do it logically??? why would it matter?, she doesn't really care anyway.

I'm not too sure if all i said is directly related to this topic, or to any posts made here by anyone, however i felt like sharing some views.

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Firstly dude welcome back, you were pretty prominent when i first joined this good to see you posting again.

im not sure wether you want my opinions on inner game or life but here goes.

i agree with your views on perspectives. the world is how you look at it. i see the world as entirely subjective, so there are NO rules that wil apply to all situaions. everything must be judged by its certain situation.

for example for me its family, freinds, birds. if any of the 3 groups fell out and there were ruptions then that is the way i would lookn at taking sides first. but i would also look in my views who is in the wrong. if i felt my family were in teh wrong if they fell out with my close freinds then i would take my freinds side and not take it out on my family just let them no they are being dicks.

same way its bros before ho's, but if my friends were inthe worng even thou it would hurt me to do it i would take the girls side.

i also agree with impact when he says sometimes you dont have to understand it, if you do it can somnetimes take the fun out of it, if you know it works but dont have the craving to find out why then that knowledge isnt that vital to you.

Inner game is the base for life not just on the pick up scene.
that is why it is so useful and i would recomend that every one from time to time take a week out from sarging and work on theirself. i have programmed my mind so much from starting this journey throught the pick up world. my opinions are formed i see society how i want. everybody searching for something if you can help somebody find it then fair play, but dont loose site of your own goals.
im getting recognised know in my town, i have made alot more freinds whilst still being part of a small but very strong tribe.

having re-read your post, its ok having your quotes an lessons, but its one thing being able to remember them but know you have to think how, YOU xfman, will incoorporate them within ur life. how u do it and how i do it will probally be very different but still with the same out come. i read a book before dale carneige, he said look at your life every few months, dont change what your goals morlas opinions are, just re-evaluate. your situation may have changed, iv recently being kicked out. im still talking with my parents but im need another job so io can go back to college in september, so from having a really fun lazy summer i need to take it a bit more seriously now.

if any PUA has a propblem they need help with then talk it out, but dont talk an not do anything. dont sit there and feel sorry for yourself. sit down think it out, make a plan look at the plant he next day to see if its still a good idea, and start to fix it.

"iv never seen a wild thing feel sorry for itself,
a small bird will drop frozen from its bough,
without ever feeling sorry for itself" - D.H. Lawrence - self pity

we must convey to our women we are civilised but wild, we are the pack the tribal leader the chief. we will treat them well make them happy but if they try to train us we will bite. if we "behave" its because we choose so not because they asked.

thankyou dude good post.

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Hey guys thanks a lot for the posts, I see we are sharing our opinions about many aspects but, thats what I want, I don't care what is your topic , just talk and express yourself. By doing this your helping yourself and helping others, time to time , I'm going to read this over again , every post, this is a re framing for my Inner Game, time to time when you start feeling that your loosing some confidence or things aren't going that well, go back to basics, sit down , relax, chill out and think about yourself.

I have learn that we have to be available to love ourselves to be available to love someone, you have to start for yourself to be available to teach others.

-> Enigma: if any PUA has a problem they need help with then talk it out, but don't talk an not do anything. don't sit there and feel sorry for yourself. sit down think it out, make a plan look at the plant he next day to see if its still a good idea, and start to fix it.
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Great words over there, This should be a golden rule.


->IMPACT:

Great, I totally agree with you. Our mind has a lot of power and stop focusing in the small things, THINK BIG....

-> MONKEY:

I'm glad to see your more than back , and your posting a lot, like in the old days... I want you , to share with us some thoughts about life, the game , anything , your full of knowledge and you know it.

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First I just wanted to say that this post together with VEEs post about (What is "the Game") is prolly the best posts I read so far in here. Hope that I can contribute some.

@ Enigma - your stuff got me thinkin about some line that mystery uses on girls.

"There are some people who...they think they're open-minded and adventurous. They make all these great plans...they talk about meeting new people, or going on a diet, or taking a cool trip. But they don't. They just sit around doing the same old boring shit, over and over again. Are you like that?"

I think that some basic rules for what you need to do in order to achive this fun person with high inner game, is doing these 6 things everyday
1 Exercise - run, go to the gym, play soccer, tennis football, go for a long walk etc. (keep ur physics)
2 Meeting people and interact - friends, GF , sarge etc.
3 Learning something new every day - I personally read some pages in a book every night before I go to sleep. (theres so much knowledge out there, you can't ever learn to much)
4 Do something that benefits yourself - a reward for something that u did earlier this day. if u ran 5 miles , then u maby deserve a siesta after a meal.
5 Healthy food - try and eat healthy food whenever u can, balance the food right (plate model)
6 Be spontanious - if you get a sudden thought to go to the beach of to whereever, whats stopping you? carpe diem! ("I went to bed thinking about a thousand things that I was gonna do the next day, but then I woke up and did the same thing as yesterday".)

I know that these rules are basic and dont have everything built into them. but once u get these into your everyday routine, you raise your inner game, and feel a great comfort, and security about yourself.

further more, I think that you should not only re-evaluate your goals cause the situation might have changed. every ideal can become better all the time. by questioning them and forming them a little as often as u can, u always keep them up to date. You may have thought that you figured something out and u move on to another aspect of your life. But you have to check back otherwise your knowledge wont be worth anything.

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We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
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Monkey's Thoughts

We've overcomplicated things in this game. When we started, the rules were simple, and they worked. Find. Meet. Attract. Close. Now Mystery is showing us thirteen-step models. Juggler's stuff is getting increasingly complex as he incorporates the ideas of his charisma coaches. Everyone with a theory is posting it on the internet and trying to run a workshop (and I include myself in this, because I've done both and I'm _still_ interested in running a workshop). This game has so many rules now that "getting it right" is more important than "attracting women."

I've been reading T.H. White's _The Once and Future King_ lately, and something in it struck me in regards to the pick-up community. When Arthur first built his Round Table, he was trying to focus the use of Might for the purpose of Right. It didn't work (Might didn't go away when Right was established, and it got bored), but I like the idea. This community has no focus. We have nothing we're trying to accomplish. We're trying to get better individually, but the community has started to suffer because of that. Every high school boy with a hard-on is learning pick-up, and they're glutting the environment.

When we were underground, it worked because no one knew who the hell we were. Style's been on the fucking View, guys. Girls know what we do. A _lot_ of girls know what we do. I would be willing to say _most_ girls know what we do. Does that make it impossible? No, of course not. If you're any good, the girls won't recognize your routines or your model, because it will all be your own. But popularity has made it more difficult.

We need a Round Table. We need to get back to the basics and re-build from the ground up. We need to worry more about the moral implications of what we do, the long-ranging effects of pick-up. We need to get back underground.We need goals.

Those are just my thoughts, though. I'm sure people are going to blast holes in them, especially the morality aspect. Go ahead. I'm ready for you.

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One of most INSPIRING posts I have read in a while

Xfman,,, WELCOME BACK brother

Xfman:
I had a talk with you the other day, and you commented about your deep thinking in this month and so, but wow I didn't think it would be this extraordinary

Impact:
I also had a talk with Impact yesterday I believe, and he said something so genuine and so simple, but that opened a world of things for me

"Whatever you do, don't let people (or any girl) steal your frame"

I'll follow this up in a bit

Monkey:
I haven't had a hold of you yet, but I wanna say 'You're a smart man' and surely a great member of this comunity. Props to you

Meth:
Where are you? We need you here

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Getting back to Impact's little message to me

"Whatever you do, don't let people (or any girl) steal your frame"

Now, that little statement relates to what Inner Game is all about,

I'll put it in my own words

YOU CAN NOT, SHOULD NOT, AND WILL NOT LET ANYBODY AFFECT YOU, ONLY YOURSELF

or

ONLY YOU MAKE DECISIONS OF YOUR PRESENT AND FUTURE

So I thought of ways to achieve this

My head spinned around thinking:

"How do I achieve IRRATIONAL inner game" (Out of normal, in other words, UNSHAKEABLE)

And I came out with two answers (and invite you guys to come up with more answers to this)

1. Avoid Logic, Impact said it, thinking too much just gives us the chance to feel, if we don't think, then the chances of feeling go down.

Now, for some people avoiding logic is easier than for others, but that's the trick of life, nothing is easy

2. Work strongly in your inner game, this is when things such as "Mindsets" come in hand, confidence building and so on.

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Let's put it like this

1. Identify yourself, who are you? what do you want? how are you going to get it?

Then

2. Once you know who you're, then find yourself, once you have found yourself, then don't let anyone or anything steal your frame,

YOURE WHO YOU WANT TO BE, AND SHALL NOT BE CHANGED BY ANYBODY'S ACTIONS

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Well, since I arrived to this discussion a little late, I'm going to try and tackle some of the points you guys have already brought up before I introduce any new ideas to this post. Here we go.
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We've overcomplicated things in this game. When we started, the rules were simple, and they worked. Find. Meet. Attract. Close. Now Mystery is showing us thirteen-step models. Juggler's stuff is getting increasingly complex as he incorporates the ideas of his charisma coaches. Everyone with a theory is posting it on the internet and trying to run a workshop (and I include myself in this, because I've done both and I'm _still_ interested in running a workshop). This game has so many rules now that "getting it right" is more important than "attracting women."
I couldn't agree more brother. Touching on what XF said about learning from other peoples' mistakes, I believe that we should take a moment to look back at what kind of situations and actions that over-rationalization has got humans stuck in before. When people begin to over-rationalize and analyze every little detail, things begin to go wrong, very wrong. Let me provide a few examples; through over-rationalization (among many other things) my country, and many others, rationalized the idea of slavery being an acceptable part of society. Instead of looking at the big picture with a simple, minimalistic perspective, people analyzed different races of people into "classes". Completely overlooking the fact that we are all humans, and all equals. Instead, characteristics and minor differences between races became reasons why we can mistreat each other in order to further our own agendas. This is but one of the shitty situations that has arisen from people over-analyzing a particular case. Another one could be any war we've experienced in human history. Instead of taking a simple, peaceful approach to diplomacy, countries like my own analyze and rationalize the world into millions of different pieces of information and make intricate foreign policies that fucks with everyone. When the only foreign policy should be promoting peace and equality, we have 1000's of diplomats all running around smearing the situation with more unnecessary input, only furthering the already complicated situation.

This does not necessarily mean that we shouldn't analyze our worlds, the human mind is inclined to do so, it is how we survive and prosper. We need to find the happy medium that we once had in this community. When things were broken down, but simple, before the community was seeing things like 13 step programs to get women. Thats ridiculous. I don't really follow much of the "guru material", my game is my own, and I try to keep it that way. Monkey has it right though. Find. Meet. Attract. Close. Is more than enough of a breakdown for seduction. Unless we actively do something about it, our community will become increasingly more complicated until the point where nothing makes sense anymore. We have seen it throughout history, and it will happen if nothing is done. Just look at the political world if you need an example of what I mean.
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YOURE WHO YOU WANT TO BE, AND SHALL NOT BE CHANGED BY ANYBODY'S ACTIONS
Very well put. One of the books I am currently reading is by a psychologist who's theory suggests that all the problems in the world today stem from one crucial flaw in the human social world. The fact that most people make themselves from their relationships to other people. By giving themselves these relationships, they basically form their perception of themselves. For instance, one individual defines himself as a father, brother, and husband, and his persona is developed from this. When in all reality it should be the opposite. He should be himself, who is also a father, brother, and husband.
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1 Exercise - run, go to the gym, play soccer, tennis football, go for a long walk etc. (keep ur physics)
2 Meeting people and interact - friends, GF , sarge etc.
3 Learning something new every day - I personally read some pages in a book every night before I go to sleep. (theres so much knowledge out there, you can't ever learn to much)
4 Do something that benefits yourself - a reward for something that u did earlier this day. if u ran 5 miles , then u maby deserve a siesta after a meal.
5 Healthy food - try and eat healthy food whenever u can, balance the food right (plate model)
6 Be spontanious - if you get a sudden thought to go to the beach of to whereever, whats stopping you? carpe diem! ("I went to bed thinking about a thousand things that I was gonna do the next day, but then I woke up and did the same thing as yesterday".)
Good list. I got them all covered!



Thats all my input for the moment, time for work.

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I think you should all really invest in taking a course in NLP. They create a whole new you. There is only so much you can learn from a book, but when you go a NLP course you learn Self Worth and the ability to create any emotion you want but the most important you see it 1st hand and there are things that will literally blow your mind. Best of all you get pushed no matter what.

There are some amazing NLP things out there to improve yourself. Good at getting rid of limiting beliefs and the 1/2hour phobia cure. Hypnosis is cool but really the real stuff NLP give you that u can use for Sarging is the power of influence. :)

Anyway i really think that you would be intrested in some serious NLP. Set life goals and shit. ;)

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I'm quite opposed to NLP. I recognize its power and its usefulness, but I personally refuse to take part in it.

I'll be writing a Round Table manifesto in the next couple of days. Just trying to perfect it. I might throw it up as a brainstorm thread.

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I'm glad a post like this has finally got some attention. I have seen posts similar to this in the past but they never really took off. I have never put a post on this forum before because it always seemed like this was less of a community and more of a Q&A databank. If people really want to start working as a community then I want in.

Xfman asked us to relax and think about ourselves. Here are some things about myself I'm sure others can relate to on some level. Biggest roadblock for me in life is FEAR. Fear of failure. Some examples are not talking to HB's or not working hard to be in the kind of career i want. I like to lie to myself and say I'm not afraid, just lazy. I don't like to admite I'm afraid. It's all so dumb because my fear of failure is causing me to fail. I was working out in the gym the other day and my friend wanted to try maxing-out on the bench press. He wanted to bench 290 and was afraid not being able to do it. He ended up benching 305. That helped me to see what a waist of time being afraid is. Failure is not something to be ashamed of, it's just mark to show you where you need to start improving.

I think the idea of frame is huge. All my life I have let other people's frames dominate mine to the point that I did not have one. I almost didn't post here because you guys have so much experience that I did not want to look dumb (and I suck at spelling). That shows how crappy my frame is that it can almost be broken by text.

I really hope people continue with this post and build on it. It has the ability to change the PUA community if we really put the effort into improving ourselves as a whole.


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