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Looking back at this, it's kind of a long read and its almost 4 A.M so if you find anything that I may have left out or something stupid that I may have said, feel free to criticize.

EDIT*: This took me some time to write so please leave some feedback whether good or bad. Show some care =)

The fortunate part about the art of quick #closing is that its minimal luck.

There are a few factors that depend on whether you get the number:
1. Her mood (somewhat luck)
2. Whether she's taken & happy (luck)
3. Your looks (doesn't necessarily mean face, however a big plus)
4. What you say

As you can tell by these factors, only one of them is luck. Her mood isn't necessarily luck depending on if you can read people. If you can read her face and tell shes having a shitty day, don't bother, MOVE ON. Theres other fish in the sea.
#2 is completely luck, I don't know of anybody that can actually tell just by looking whether a girl is taken and happy.
#3 depends on how well you groom yourself, your clothes, your body language, however your facial features are a big help when it comes to quick in and out number closing.
#4 is a big obvious factor, you won't do well if the words that are coming out of your mouth in the short amount of time youre talking to her are very bland.

Moving on,

There are two kinds of scenarios during day game :

1. The woman is moving
2. The woman is not moving

Its obviously a little more complicated than that, but it mostly comes down to these two. The harder one is obviously #1.

#1 usually starts off if you're walking down the street or down a big ave (I like to envision manhattan because thats where Im from) and you give each other the eye glance, it doesnt even matter how long its for, make sure she notices you even for a second. To me, it seems like women get caught off guard or surprised when she doesn't see you coming but of course thats debatable.

You open her with something direct along the lines of "Excuse me, you know, Im in a huge hurry and I would be beating myself up later if I didnt ask you for your name" (the delivery has to be TOP NOTCH, i mean you have to be completely confident, and have a bit of a smile as you say it) Then bullshit for maybe 2 minutes, but when I say bullshit I dont mean "so where are you from", im not going to tell you guys what to say because for every situation it's different and THATS how you get good, but be very witty, leave a lasting impression. Read some books on being witty or just read classic books in general to naturally become witty, its probably the second most important thing to women next to confidence.

So finally, after astonishing her with your wit, EJECT the fuck outta there, dont stay around for any longer

********The longer you stay around the more chances you give her to say something stupid or bore her and fuck everything up**********

Close her with something like "Im in a bit of a rush actually, and I do not want this to be a lost opportunity" and hand her your cellphone and finish it off right then and there.


Now for a woman thats not moving, you basically do the exact same thing, however the difference is, she not in a rush and she has more time to judge you compared to the woman that has to be somewhere. When a woman is not moving, you can talk to her a bit longer.

All in all, any conversation should be kept to at most 5 minutes. And thats really pushing it.

Ok so I'm sure some of you guys might want a quick dialogue summarizing what I meant before, so here's an example, Im going to pretend Im walking down a street going to work and she looks like shes in somewhat of a hurry somewhere as well:

*when you approach her from the front as you two are walking towards each other you want to open her with your head about 45 degrees to the right (or left).

You: excuse me..*mild cocky smirk*
(she looks at you)
You: *look straight in the eyes and continue with the mild cocky smirk* you know im in a bit of a hurry and i would be beating myself up for the rest of the day if i didnt get your name
(Now there are multiple ways she can answer this but most likely she will smile)
Her: Maria *smile*
You: I'm nick... *shakes her hand and holds it, still mildly smirking* *slight pause* and judging by your aggressive yet slightly tired demeanor you look like you could use a coffee later.
Her: godd I havent really slept in a while im always working
You: *still maintaining your minor cocky smirk* well i wouldnt want this to be an opportunity lost, so..*give her your phone*...we're gonna meet up sometime later and have some coffee

(A good minor cocky smirk to follow is Clive Owens' in Derailed, shoot em up, and Closer)

Now reading that over, that actually sounds like a 45 second #close, which seems somewhat unlikely but like I said EVERYTHING is about delivery and some luck. The little conversation posted isn't supposed to be some kind of rubric, its more of a little guide on how you should be acting during this encounter.




All in all perfecting in the art of quick #closing, you should be getting about 10 numbers per day depending on how you're feeling.

To finally finish this off, you may be asking "What about the flake factor?" Well, a girl will most likely not flake if you leave her with a funny or lasting impression. Never forget that. You can always leave a lasting impression, even if you only have 15 seconds to talk. However to be realistic, there will be flakes, but depending on how well you do, you will encounter them less and less.
So maybe per week you should have about 30 numbers? Well, to be completely pessimistic, say 15 flakes. So now you have 15 girls that want to hang out. Thats a date every day for the next 2 weeks, and by date I dont mean a dinner, but thats a different post.

I really hope this helps some people. Good luck and have fun with this! :wink:


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i quite like it, very detailed lol

anyway, think this is the kinda method that will work for a lot of people if she is attracted to you sexually or has noticed you.

i dont think it would work just talking up to a girl that is walking past...


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i quite like it, very detailed lol

anyway, think this is the kinda method that will work for a lot of people if she is attracted to you sexually or has noticed you.

i dont think it would work just talking up to a girl that is walking past...

That is somewhat correct, it will work very well if she's attracted sexually, but if you're dressed well and youre doing what I wrote youre doing, you should be succeeding quite often.


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I really like this poast. this is a good approach. and this goes into the David Wygant theory "the hugh grant theory" i really like this. good stuff.


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Thanks a lot I appreciate it. Care to explain that theory?


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Hey man, cheers for writing this. Some good analysis there, I'll defo try to take this on board.

Only one small criticism. I read somewhere that saying "excuse me" is a bit apologetic, which you shouldn't be, so I would just go with "hey" or "hello".


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Hey man, cheers for writing this. Some good analysis there, I'll defo try to take this on board.

Only one small criticism. I read somewhere that saying "excuse me" is a bit apologetic, which you shouldn't be, so I would just go with "hey" or "hello".
Thanks man, very glad to hear you like it. About the "excuse me" part, naturally, you're right, maybe deep down subconsciously somewhere you may come off a bit apologetic, but once you get really good with facial expressions and body language, it doesn't matter what you open with.

To be brutally honest, "excuse me" is probably more logical than a "hey" or a "hello", because "hello" is a bit eccentric, and "hey" is often used to acknowledge someone you already know when you want them to pass the remote or something, not when trying to stop a stranger

Im really happy some of you guys like this, I would love to hear more feedback!
if you really don't like "excuse me", you can move your head outwards and to the side like you're hailing a taxi and say "hi there" with a bit of a smile.


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no more feedback? 80 something views..


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The "flake" math is pretty accurate for a short day encounter. They're psyched but no matter how much you impress them, the time spent together is simply too short for many girls. And from the remaining 15, you'll still see resistance through bullshit excuses and attempts to elevate themselves to a stronger position. Get rid of them. This means if the "quick number" is your game, you really need to spend a lot of time out there and get a ton of numbers.

Also . . . there is nothing as stupid as having girls figure out that you're out there getting 10 different numbers. This particular game works because you make the girl feel incredibly special to be picked out from a crowd. If she figures out that she's just one cow in a big ranch, you're done . . . so you do need to keep sets split geographically and chronologically.

I never go out looking to # close but I do tend to do this habitually. I feel a bit sad if I let a cool person by without at least making an attempt. Think about it . . . I mean, it's totally true that if you don't converse, the chances are high that you will never, ever see this person again. In fact, I feel more nervous about NOT opening up an interesting target.

My strategy differs a bit from the op. I try to go after "quality" numbers. Planting "you might never see me if you don't give me your number now and I'm leaving right now" in her brain will tend to get you numbers fast but these numbers aren't quality. The flake ratio is high with these. But if I find somebody who really strikes my fancy, I try to build more rapport by doing all I can to keep this conversation going. . . "Are you headed this way?", etc . . .

Then instead of just grabbing a number for a future continuation of this random conversation, I plant a specific, fun event in her brain. This way, when she sees my phone number flash on her phone as I ring, she doesn't think random thoughts like, "Oh this guy . . . well, he's alright I guess . . . I guess we can do something . . "

Instead, I want her to think, "Oh this guy . . . he wants to take me to that new Moroccan restaurant ." Or "That's right, he wants to invite me to his cocktail party." Or "Oh . . . this is the guy who's taking me to that club's grand opening . . . " This is how I # close. Something like, "Cool, I'll call you for the grand opening party on Saturday." (This makes her want to GIVE you her number.) Very little resistance now means very little resistance later. . .

Any attention grabbing "exclamations" work well depending on how you decide to open. The "excuse me" is perfect for the, "I'd kick my self in the ass if I didn't say hi to you," approach.

With the "The I'm on your team . . ." approach, you go with something like, "Oh my God!?" or "Can you believe it?" She's eating something and you go, "Oh my God, you're making me so hungry. That looks delicious." You're both eyeballing something at the mall and you go, "Can you believe it? I've been walking around for 2 hours and I still can't find a gift for my sister . . ." She's drinking something you go, "Where did you get that coffee? You just put me in the mood."

Not sure why dumb exclamations grab girls' attentions but they do. In fact, during the conversation, if you see the girl's mind wander off and she's rubbing the back of her neck or looking around or whatever. Stop what ever it is that you're doing and go, "Oh my God!" "Holy crap!" "Ooh, I just remembered!" "Woh, woh . . did you see that ____" Then bridge to a fun topic. If you do this a few times and the girl is still wandering off, don't even bother with the number.

Basically, I'm more happy with 2 solid numbers than 10 random numbers where even I sometimes worry, "Shit, I hope I remember what she looks like . . . "


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nicely detailed and easy process on how to number close asap! Props to you.

Just to add another piece of advice to others reading this. Once you practice enough number closing is not too hard, the hardest part is getting them on a day 2. Why should a random girl go have coffee with you after only meeting you for a few min when theres prob a lot of people in her life already who would have coffee with her?

However, I think this process is very helpful in developing your day 2 skills and getting them. This advice will get you numbers. Next you need to call up each broad and develop your skills on building rapport with strangers, phone skills...etc. All in all a great post and always keep your eyes on the prize!

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The "flake" math is pretty accurate for a short day encounter. They're psyched but no matter how much you impress them, the time spent together is simply too short for many girls. And from the remaining 15, you'll still see resistance through bullshit excuses and attempts to elevate themselves to a stronger position. Get rid of them. This means if the "quick number" is your game, you really need to spend a lot of time out there and get a ton of numbers.

Also . . . there is nothing as stupid as having girls figure out that you're out there getting 10 different numbers. This particular game works because you make the girl feel incredibly special to be picked out from a crowd. If she figures out that she's just one cow in a big ranch, you're done . . . so you do need to keep sets split geographically and chronologically.

I never go out looking to # close but I do tend to do this habitually. I feel a bit sad if I let a cool person by without at least making an attempt. Think about it . . . I mean, it's totally true that if you don't converse, the chances are high that you will never, ever see this person again. In fact, I feel more nervous about NOT opening up an interesting target.

My strategy differs a bit from the op. I try to go after "quality" numbers. Planting "you might never see me if you don't give me your number now and I'm leaving right now" in her brain will tend to get you numbers fast but these numbers aren't quality. The flake ratio is high with these. But if I find somebody who really strikes my fancy, I try to build more rapport by doing all I can to keep this conversation going. . . "Are you headed this way?", etc . . .

Then instead of just grabbing a number for a future continuation of this random conversation, I plant a specific, fun event in her brain. This way, when she sees my phone number flash on her phone as I ring, she doesn't think random thoughts like, "Oh this guy . . . well, he's alright I guess . . . I guess we can do something . . "

Instead, I want her to think, "Oh this guy . . . he wants to take me to that new Moroccan restaurant ." Or "That's right, he wants to invite me to his cocktail party." Or "Oh . . . this is the guy who's taking me to that club's grand opening . . . " This is how I # close. Something like, "Cool, I'll call you for the grand opening party on Saturday." (This makes her want to GIVE you her number.) Very little resistance now means very little resistance later. . .

Any attention grabbing "exclamations" work well depending on how you decide to open. The "excuse me" is perfect for the, "I'd kick my self in the ass if I didn't say hi to you," approach.

With the "The I'm on your team . . ." approach, you go with something like, "Oh my God!?" or "Can you believe it?" She's eating something and you go, "Oh my God, you're making me so hungry. That looks delicious." You're both eyeballing something at the mall and you go, "Can you believe it? I've been walking around for 2 hours and I still can't find a gift for my sister . . ." She's drinking something you go, "Where did you get that coffee? You just put me in the mood."

Not sure why dumb exclamations grab girls' attentions but they do. In fact, during the conversation, if you see the girl's mind wander off and she's rubbing the back of her neck or looking around or whatever. Stop what ever it is that you're doing and go, "Oh my God!" "Holy crap!" "Ooh, I just remembered!" "Woh, woh . . did you see that ____" Then bridge to a fun topic. If you do this a few times and the girl is still wandering off, don't even bother with the number.

Basically, I'm more happy with 2 solid numbers than 10 random numbers where even I sometimes worry, "Shit, I hope I remember what she looks like . . . "
I completely agree with you in some aspects, and I know exactly what you're talking about. Of course I would rather get 2 quality numbers rather than say..10 randoms.

But think about it from this angle, how many times does a girl get #closed a day? Honestly, even the hottest girls in a bustling city probably get #closed like several times a week. I don't generally see many guys with game during the day. Of course during the night is a different story, but you will stick out more if you #close during the day. So, even if you #close in a matter of 2 minutes, it will stick out in her mind for the rest of the day and may even make her day better. She will probably not forget you if you said the right things during the encounter. Only problem is you might forget her, but thats up to you to develop a method of remembering all of the girls you #closed throughout the day.

About the geographical implications, I live in NYC, the chances of a girl you #closed earlier are completely trivial.

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Then instead of just grabbing a number for a future continuation of this random conversation, I plant a specific, fun event in her brain. This way, when she sees my phone number flash on her phone as I ring, she doesn't think random thoughts like, "Oh this guy . . . well, he's alright I guess . . . I guess we can do something . . "
I never said you don't have to do what you wrote. In fact I encourage planning something exciting ahead so she has one more thing to remember you by!


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nicely detailed and easy process on how to number close asap! Props to you.
Thanks a lot.
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Just to add another piece of advice to others reading this. Once you practice enough number closing is not too hard, the hardest part is getting them on a day 2. Why should a random girl go have coffee with you after only meeting you for a few min when theres prob a lot of people in her life already who would have coffee with her?
The plan isnt to just get her # and leave. The plan is to say things that will make you worth remembering even if it means making plans to do something fun right there.
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However, I think this process is very helpful in developing your day 2 skills and getting them. This advice will get you numbers. Next you need to call up each broad and develop your skills on building rapport with strangers, phone skills...etc. All in all a great post and always keep your eyes on the prize!
Thanks again, and yes, Day 2's with hot strangers is a completely different story and I think is a lot more fun than just going out to clubs.


Keep em coming guys, I really love the feedback.


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Hey Nickkkk,

The number close is pretty much clockwork for most once they try it. How about beginning up a thread on the text/phone game that follows the quick # close?

I treat the quick #'s differently than "quality" #'s but it looks like you have this "cycle" down so I'd love to read about how you follow through with these numbers. . .


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Great post! This is definitely helpful, thanks for taking the time to share this.

I've always wondered about this, as I often walk around town and see quite a few HB's, but never really know how to go about approaching them on the street.

I'll have to give this a shot.


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Hey Nickkkk,

The number close is pretty much clockwork for most once they try it. How about beginning up a thread on the text/phone game that follows the quick # close?

I treat the quick #'s differently than "quality" #'s but it looks like you have this "cycle" down so I'd love to read about how you follow through with these numbers. . .
I'll try to get to that within this week. I have a lot of work =(

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