Just a thought I've been having recently. I find that starting from the approach, if you don't use either negs, C&F, or something else to differentiatie you from "the nice guy", then you'll probably be friendzoned.

This is specifically for sarging in places that aren't conductive to romance, i.e. not most night-game situations. Colleges, day game, bars, libraries, shops, street, sorta thing.

Some sarges take me more than one session in a day to get the close, and in these ones I have tread carefully that I don't friendzone her. The ways I do this other than negs and C&F is basically framing, metaframing and using sexual conversation threads along with some NLP.

But is it possible to "be the nice guy" and without getting friendzoned?

Being a nice guy is a desirable trait. DHV DHV DHV DHV

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The most important thing one can do to not fall into the 'friend zone':

KINO

Always be touching and taking away. Always be escalating.

Of course being the non-needy, non-supplicating guy who is teasing her a lot always helps.

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nice guys usually end up in the friend zone.

girls want what they cant have which is all about being a pua.

I think its good to neg because it shows you're not like every other guy that will buy them everything and call her beautiful the whole time.

you have to play the game with her; cocky, funny, tease her and then be the guy who she wants to #-close

If u guys can find the Cajun interview in the pua video section he has a pretty awesome way to avoid the friend zone. I'd post the page but I guess i'm new and i can't??

Find it. It starts at the end of the first vid and goes partly into the second vid. Never field tested it but cajun's a badass so guess it works. That is, if you got a bad boy vibe going on. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend going nice guy and trying to pull this. But i'm always down for a funny story.

Are you saying that friends dont use heaps of kino? You could be linking arms, kissing each other on the cheek or w/e and she could still see this as friendly. You need to create some PURE attraction.

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Plethora: will keep that in mind. i'm in a time and position when i can rapidly go from 'fun friend' to just friend :/ so, will try that

V1V: I think what she means is, more than KINO it self, the escalation. Go further than a friend, and giving some sort of implicit/explicit clues about your intentions, always appropiate with the context. also, i believe the dinstance one is from her while talking is very important. being even closer than the distance a friend would mantain.
i'm guessing u mean these vids:
cajun-interview-vt30226.html?highlight=cajun+interview

their loading already thx 4 the advice

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I've found that it's important to put a playful spin on things once you know she's interested. Anything that makes her think you may not be interested is good. Adam Lyons calls it a rapport break, but the right kind of neg or C&F is pretty much the same thing.

It creates sexual tension, and almost anything that creates tension is good. She can't think of you as just a friend if she's thinking of sleeping with you.

Negs get a bad rap sometimes, because they are seen as a way to make women feel insecure. This is true for some negs I guess, but most of them are just IODs. I use IODs because they keep tension in the interaction, and that's what keeps things exciting. I don't use the M3 model, but the proper neg is still a useful tool with all women.

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What you think that friends don't escalate??

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