Inspired by another thread I decided to keep on my crusade against misconceptions and people doing what they are told. Or living up to an ideal that we are not trying to give you.

This time it is all about fullcloses. So fullclose, definition, sex? Yes I think we can all agree on that.
I see many posts about, how should I do this, this is a problem for me, i do not know how to do it because it will fuck up my life etc...

In my opinion, fullcloses are overrated. Yes, you heard me. Overrated! I mean that sometimes there is no point! You win some and you lose some.

In some cases I see people asking, should I fullclose my GFs sister, twin, best friend etc etc etc. It is a valid question! Should you? Since you are asking this question, you probably should not. And you know it.
If you were sure about it you would ask, how should I close her, not if.

My point is: We are not mindless sexmachines. We do not close every girl we approach. We should not feel ashamed or bad if we decide not to close a girl. Maybe she is better as a friend, maybe it would mess up your life if you did.
Nobody will think less of you if you do not close. The important thing is the skillset you have learned to get to the point where you CAN make the decision. The point where it is in YOUR power to decide!

I must say that from experience, I regret some closes I have done. I would have been happier if I did not do them and you should ask yourselves before engaging in romantic physical connection... IS IT WORTH IT?

Love

Ezo

Nice Topic Ezoghoul!

I see this on the forum a lot as well. I can say that I have had my fair share of Lays and Single Night Lays. I even made it a mission to get good at the skillset for a little while. I thought it made a difference as to whether or not I was good at getting the lay.

Before I continue on my soapbox I'll step off of it and say it's nice to know you have the skillset. We are sexual beings and it is natural to want sex from women. As a man it's good to know I have the abilities to go out and get it.

Having said that! There are many times as Ezo mentioned that I wish I hadn't. It was fun for the moment or at the time when I bounced her out of the club, but I didn't feel so great afterwards. Many time just because you can doesn't mean necessarily that you should.

It really comes down to the individual. The biggest thing I agree with is if you are on a forum seeking approval for whether or not you should THEN DO NOT DO IT. If it was okay with you then you would just have done it already.

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Jsmooth, thanks for the support!

I still have much to learn, I must admit that I can not close every girl in the room yet but then again... Who can?

I think this topic is important since many people here seem to judge themselves based on the number of closes... I would say that in the perfect world, one close should be enough... If it is with the right girl.

Good stuff Ezo. Not only is it mentally damaging to yourself and the women you pursue if your goal is to fuck every single girl you come into contact with, it is also impossible. There IS NO MAGIC PILL! There is NOTHING that will attract every single person on the planet to you without fail......well.....maybe GHB is that magic pill, but if you need to rely on that, then you obviously aren't learning what you came here to learn.

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Ezo, thank you for this post.


Many people here seek validation; many people out there do the same. I believe that every one of us seek validation in some way, we are in the end just people. It is sad but we as people, animals, do need others in order to define ourselves, validation is just a drop in the ocean. The only thing that many people seem to not know is that the true validation comes from your own self. When you learn to love yourself and be happy with what you are, what you’ve become, you will once and forever stop looking for external validation.
We are all still very young, some of us younger than others. It takes time to realize (if it ever happens – hopefully it does for all) that numbers mean nothing, it is the affection of others that forms us and helps us learn… it is not ‘how many’ but ‘how did they make you feel’.
In the perfect world Ezo, communication would have never been on such a low level… there wouldn’t have been forums dedicated to educating people how to socialize with other … people.

One day, when you are all old and gray, you won’t remember even half of the girls that you’ve been with, they won’t really matter, they will probably not remember you either… we don’t always learn from our experiences and they not always affect us, the ones that do are the ones that matter and they are not numbers.

Jez

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Exactly! So if something is not gonna matter, why bother...

Ezo I 100% agree with what your saying and I fully endorse this! However sometimes if I'm creating a lot of attraction the girl really wants to fully close however sometimes I dont.

I know it sounds stupid and probably some say I should have stepped the fuck up however the circumstances, situation and my mood at that time didn't warrant it (tempted to post a field report about it someday). I knew that by making this decision that I wouldnt have the chance of seeing this girl again as it felt too awkward. She totally flaked as I expected.

Is it better that i done this?

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That is something a lot of guys forget. Girls are people in the end (well actually they are FIRST of all people)

... and if you approach in a mindset of "I need to fuck I need to fuck, ME MAN!! STICK PINES IN VAGINA"... you will never enjoy what the person can really give you

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But hey hey hey! Lets not get hasty here, I got those days as well...

Nice post Ezo. I believe that you should always game women with the mindeset of "Hey, I'm just here to see what this person is all about. If I F-Close, thats great, but my goal is to get to know this person and move things in a direction to where an F-Close is EVENTUALLY an option".

Good read. This is the right mindset to have.

One of the most annoying things with guys gaming girls is that they associate wrong.

The most common association is Girl = Fuck

Or Girl = Potential girlfriend.

That completely sucks.

It should be: Girl = The chance to see what she is all about.
Or Girl = Practice

Or Girl = Lets have a good time.


People have to get this into their thick skulls, re think, rewire your brains!

This was how I used to think before I began reading pick up.
Now I see it this way.

When I saw them as sex, I felt more was at stake, I was therefore more nervous and afterwards I felt bad because I felt I had lost something.

Now I see them as just practice, this means nothing is at stake, and I am far more relaxed, I come across much better. If it goes wrong, then fine, Ive actually gained something, some experience.

Also I have to point out, having sex is good, but it's not the sex itself that I enjoy the most, it's all the excitment, fun and company leading up to, and after the sex. That is why you filter out the duds who don't excite you. If you're having sex purely to have another number, you might as well masterbate and start counting that.

But is Sex is the only reason why someone wants to learn PUA then what is wrong with that. For the next 1 year my goal is to get laid like a rock star so who is anyone to tell me that its bad. I do not judge you for your goals so why is someone telling me that full close is not the right goal.

Well I think we all should take a tip from the AFC's(Which I am!). I mean everyone gets thoes times where you see a girl and you wanna fuck her. It's normal ofcourse. But if you think about it, we really need to remember how alot of us were b4 we had success. How it felt just to #close. To K-close. I mean it doesnt seem alot at this point. But it was old times where just meeting the girl that could be awsome or your g/f. Not putting the p***y on the pedidistal. But just enjoying the small things we get from a girl. To be like some of the guys that would die just to have a nice convo with a preety girl. We all need to think about if something happen so we couldnt have sex would you stop wanting girls? Exactly.

when most people say something like that they use is as a shield... "I already said I'm bad/afc/not good enough/whatever so no one can say anything against me"... stop doing it, be proud of what you are and be what you want to be (and then be proud of THAT)

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