Maybe this is what I should stop doing. I never even thought of what I do as negging, I'm just naturally really sarcastic, especially with girls. Now and then I'll look back to some of the things I said, and I'll think, "Um...did I EVER say anything remotely NICE?" I feel like sometimes I do too much teasing and not enough being genuinely fun and friendly.

But wait, college girls have low self esteem? Seriously? Around here they have HUGE egos.

aslong as your being sarcastic but playfull its alright. What i realised that even big ego girls in college have a soft centre. For these type of girls its alright to throw 1 or even 2 negs at them. Remember in college the key is to be fun and playful, cocky funny works well too.

Kind of think of it like a candy, hard outside but soft chewy center! LOL

Most of these girls with these big inflated egos and shield do it because inside they too are insecure so when we neg them so much we break them down and sincerely hurt their feelings.

I have even gone as far to say to a girl when I did this, "You know what I crossed a line and I didn't mean it that way. I am joking with everyone. Some people have different boundaries and I crossed yours. Now that I know where it is, it won't happen again."

Before you guys go off on this being AFC, this is something I got from Mystery himself on an audio program. Beside there is nothing wrong with admitting you f'ed up.

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But in the college environment, you have so many AFC's who CONSTANTLY give these girls attention. Even mediocre looking girls are conditioned to believe they're of such high value (since they can always get into any party and how guy are always needing them to get into parties).

Then again, this isn't that different from non-college environments, now that I think of it.

I'll admit I'm new and a rAFC, but I'm pretty sure that what you're ranting about are the people who pretty much BASE their game with negs.

So in attempt to learn from this rant, I'm going to make a generalization that:
You're basically stating that people who base their game on negs are ignorant and feeble , and people who use negs to boost their game are the better players?

Yes!
It was proven in that 1978 documentary called "Superman".

You don't understand the purpose of the post. The idea is that negs are not really needed at all. There are other things you can do besides negging.

The second point of the post is that in most cases newbies over neg because of their own insecurities.

Negging in itself is basically stupid in many ways, but is still a tool you can use but rarely need to.

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I like where this discussion is going!

I realize that what Jsmooth says can be a bit scary since one of the favorite PUA tools is downgraded to a sideweapon that you normally dont need to use. But the man is right!
The way of the PUA (The PERCIEVED way of the PUA) is something you use while you are still learning (or if you are Mystery). After you have got your game fixed you do not need it. This is what people call going natural.

We have learned to use false timeconstraints, negs, DHV spikes, push-pull, cocky funny, stories, routines etc.

In the real world however, INNER GAME is what matters! Nothing else matters (la la la la)...

With a strong frame and a strong personality and the right attitude it does not matter what the heck you say! It is that strong!

This weekend I went out to a party and I could not use ANY routines since I knew too many people there. I was on vacation from my PUA life for one day. I did all the mistakes anyone could do, I did everything wrong (from the "PUA" perspective).

I went out on the dancefloor. I complimented a girl on her looks. I leaned in. I did not false timecon. I did not neg. I did not open. I did not tell any DHV stories. I did not do anything even remotely ressembling PUA material! And still I ended up on the dancefloor surrounded by 4 HBs. One a TV-girl and model, one a 20 yo HB8, one a 21 yo christian good girl (HB7) and one HB9.5 with huge fake boobs. All competing for my attention!

The point of this bragging story is not to impress you but to say this:

I am sure that a real PUA like the experienced guys here at the forum would have more success using complete AFC stuff (with their inner game intact of course) than an AFC would even if he could recite all the routines ever written!

Jsmooth, I completely agree, a real (true) alpha male can afford to apologize, can afford to be the nice guy, can afford to be a bit AFC. The only reason for a PUA to deflate a girls ego is if he feels threatened.
A neg is like knowing karate. Once you have learned it you will not need it, people will see that you could but you just choose not to.

Ezo

THANKS EZO!

As Ezo was touching on above is my belief is when you start that routines and canned material can be very good for you. It gives you stuff to talk about, and it gives you a path to follow. It allows you a structured process so that if you make a mistake you can see where that mistake was made. At the same time you are learning good tools for PUA. There is nothing wrong with this material to train from.

As you get better. You have to learn to improve other aspects of your life besides your "outer game" aka the routines, etc. You have to work on your own life, your own health, and relationships you have around you. These relationships don't have to include women they can include your family, and friends. When you do this it gets much easier to meet people.

HEALTH + WEALTH + LOVE

As you become a true high value male in your own eyes and you work on issues with your own inner game the rest starts to fall into place. You already have the tools available that you learned early on that are in your automated response. You have also gone in the field many times and have become more calibrated to the way women react in different environments and settings.

This is somewhat a transition from using what is canned to what is more natural. I remember a passage from Mystery and Lovedrop's new book Revelation that said something like, "Do you really believe Mystery still goes up to women and uses canned material?" Then it went on to explain his game follows a similar pattern but is now more natural with still the core principals.

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It is also showing the girl respect which is a smart and good thing to do in picking up a girl.

You need to show every single person you meet respect. Anything else is just lame. This does not mean that you will put them higher than yourself, just that you do not intentionally treat them like crap.

it keeps the cocky funny goina, and keeps up sexual tension. its fun to have neg-warefare and it shows that ur still not phased by her beauty.
i've been seein a girl for about 3 weeks now, and im still busting her balls the whole entire time.
i think neg's can be used anytime

It's true to the point that I had some guy literally wanting to kill me over his fancy girl when I hadn't said anything more than "hi" to her all night...

Can this be stickied please, I am sick of posts that read like " I negged a girl that went well so I negged her again and couldn't think of what to do next so negged her again. What went wrong?". I swear this is becoming a way for insecure guys to get back at the girls who would never give them the time of day before arghhhh

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