I first read DeAngelo. It didn't give me anything I could really use other than relax, and open your mouth. Also to look for girls that seemed like they could fit your personality and interests. I took very little from Double Your Dating.

Then I read the Mystery Method, How to get beautiful women into bed.
I liked this book simply because it took the way social dynamics, my mind, and the minds of women, and broke pick up down to a science in which I could clearly comprehend. I found it too complicated myself when it came down to applying it in the field though. So I simplified it the best I could, and have been using those principals to change my interactions with women even if I'm not sure where I am in Mystery's method, I still have the scientific base behind it that makes it work.

I think that Neil Strauss has really done good work at changing the Mystery Method to be easier to understand in his book The Rules Of The Game. He also has a series of videos that make certain things simpler to see in action on his myspace page. I learned a lot by watching other people pick up women on video, and then submitting it to his page.

I have also been trying a lot more direct game. Direct game is the original game, back when people talked about players, and game before anyone knew about Mystery, before Mystery knew he was going to be Mystery there was direct game. Direct game can work very well. I find in some situations that I am more genuine, and connect with women more genuinely if I use direct game instead of MM. However MM once mastered is a much better way to pick up women whom are 10's if your not a muscle bound jock, or naturally confident enough to pull direct game off. Also no guru has a method for picking up any woman. Just method's that help you to figure out your own method for picking up women.

If a guy just went out without fear, and just started talking women everywhere about anything, any guy could in time develop his own natural method for seducing women simply because trial and error is its own science, and a lot of women are just simply easy. A lot of women are just looking for a relationship like anyone else, and they won't notice you unless you come up and say "Hi, I like your hair, where are you from?" etc.. Then all of a sudden you become an option, and as long as you don't come off as creepy, or a pussy, or a total asshole, then she will consider you as an option.

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With the Mystery Method, that guy is legendary for his innovations in his PUA world, and without a doubt he has contributed to much of the framework which has made PUA what is is today. If we take mystery's M3 model for instance, with A3, C3, and S3. What PUA technique does not fit in somewhere in that model?

I'm sure that all of you are familar with the martial arts legend Bruce Lee. In addition to that im sure most of you if not all of you have read the game. In the beginning of the book Style compares the different schools of PUA to different martial art dojos. Bruce Lee was able to rise above all of them by incorporating whatever he could from the different styles that existed and merging them into one. Why would this not be the same in PUA?

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"Weakness is an excuse, telling you to get stronger"

"Dare to become something better then the rest, more then you are"

IMHO, MM is good for people to immediately follow a systematic structure to use. Total AFCs can use it for the 1st time and be relieved that they have something to fall back on. Something to use. Like a set of training tools.
However, when u get better and better, u realise that u don't have to rely on MM some much and u can start to develop ur own personal approach and styles, lines and dating game. Then that's when the transformation into a natural begins!

So don't blast MM. I started with it. Using it in Singapore works but its gotta be tailored for the environment. Gals here don't get negs and feel easily insulted. Far better to give false disqualifiers and display alpha characteristics. Still, without MM, this would not have been possible

Nobody HATES mystery. We've all learned something from him.

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There is NO secret ingredient. Theres just you.

A method is merely a way of doing something. It doesn't have to be scientific, complex, mathematical, or even logical.

There's a method to walking. You put one foot in front of the other, repeat.

It's not complex, scientific, or mathematical.

Now what if I decided that I wanted to change the method I use to walk? I'll take One step forward, one step back, two steps back , and then three steps forward.

I've accomplished the same thing, but with a different method. It's not a logical method, but it works.

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Mimicking an artist never leads to true success... However becoming an artist mimicked is true success

Exactly. If you are getting people hating on you, you have obviously done something that works. Otherwise, people would just ignore it. Whether we realize it or not, haters only strengthen Mystery's fame

There are more significant figures in this community that deserve more respect than Mystery and aren't getting it. Really? What about Zan,.

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To continue with the Bruce Lee analogy: Mystery and Style will always be synonymous with pick-up like Bruce with Martial Arts. These individuals are all among the best practitioners of their respective arts but not necissarily the best of all time. They become so associated because they are the ones who introduce the concepts to the world as a whole as Style did with The Game, Mystery with his show, and Bruce Lee with Enter the Dragon. Mystery and Style get a lot of flack for spreading the word of pick-up, much like Bruce Lee did with spreading the word about Martial Arts but this does not mean they are sell outs or turncoats like has been suggested by some. In fact Martial Arts were improved with a more widespread introduction, much like pick-up will be in the long run. Mystery and Style should be praised for their contrabutions to the community and what they have left for us should be built upon to reach the next plateu of pick-up.

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I ain't gonna be just another heart breaker
Baby don't you know I'm a real soul shaker
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Yes but this is assumed only in her perception, not your own. You are never intended to believe that you are of lower value than her, that would be a poor frame of mind. However you should understand that more likely than not when you first approach she may very well think she has higher value than you subconcously... especially if she's really hot.

Through frame control you immediately reverse this though..why? because YOU ARE of higher value.. (this would be A2)

I consider the M3 model to be the best system thus far. Even mystery and VA know that its imperfect.

If the shit wasn't controversial.. then that'd mean the shit wasn't any good..

It's a systematic, and just like 90% of the shit in life.. it's not meant for everyone.

Yes.

The first system I tried was mystery method. And more recently I have tried stirring away from it and instead have turned to applying the principles that tyler durden lays out in the blue print.. in order to just "be" instead of "do".

but even this isn't a "system" is it?

As someone who was the lead instructor at TMM for over 2 years, I'd say it is a great system but it hasn't evolved in almost 6 years.

it's a good framework but ends up being WAY too limiting as attraction, seduction, and comfort all cycle and you end up losing super fast lays while trying to go through all the stages.

It's good but there are now things that are WAY better.

No doubt Mystery is a genius though and laid the foundation for all of this new stuff.

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I dislike the method because I think following a formula is confusing and generic. Its a great method for alot of people, but I could never use it. I believe in building inner self-confidence and being myself. The Mystery Method just seems awkward to me. I dont see how it works, but the man obviously knows what he's doing.

I have a lot of respect for mystery! Some such as peacocking I used to do before I hear about him, but I could never understand why it worked! His methods and videos pretty much filled many blank gaps in my head!