I have been doing online pickup for a very long time. I have formulated the very best opening message I think is out there. Essentially I've abandoned all traditional pick up methods when online because they only work in person, and over time and thousands of messages become good online. Not that it matters cause as Mystery says once you meet in person you must start over, but I still like to look at my online choices before I travel somewhere.

I liked your description, you look like a very genuine and fun person. So where are you from, and what do you do for fun there?
My name is Martin By the way, if you want to chat I have msn

Hi, Crystal. My name is Martin and I agree your partner should be your best friend. Most girls have a just friend zone, and a potential dating partner zone, but if you like to mix them up that sounds good to me lol.
I see that you like to be spontaneous? Thats awesome. You should tell me about one of your adventures just going out and doing something crazy

Hey, nice picture. Black and White pictures always catch my eye. That and your very pretty.
If you want to chat add me to msn

I see your way into ICP from your pictures lol. Thats cool, I think they put out some pretty funny shit.
Anyways my name is Martin.
add me to myspace if you got one

I love your description, you sound like my kind of person
What part of Wyoming are you from? My name is Martin and I'm from Evanston.

Hey, Kayleb. How do you pronounce that?
I see your from Canada, thats cool I've never been but I've thought about visiting.
So what do you mean by stretched ears?
Anyways My name is Martin I just love to party and have a good time
msn with me

I like your description. It very concisely says that your an interesting individual with potentially unique ideas that can't be summed up in 4 sentences
I notice your from Florida. What city? I'm going to be headed down there in a few months to take some classes.
Well anyways my name is Martin and if you want to chat msn me at
Other than that I hope to hear back from you soon.
Btw: You have a nice smile


I love the pinstripes.
So I see your from London. Thats awesome, I intend to visit there this coming spring.
My name is Martin and I'm glad we double matched, because you look like your probably a very fun and intelligent person to know. Oh and your also extremely pretty! lol
So anyways my name is Martin, and I'd like to chat with you sometime


Whats up Kerrie? When I seen your description and pic I just had to click yes. My name is Martin, I love to party and go clubbing, and I'm into extreme sports.
I see your from London I'm from the states, so when I vacation this spring maybe we can meet up


I see your a web designer?
Thats great, I love computer programming, but I've also done some web development using html, javascript, dhtml, perl, xml/AJAX.
So we have something in common
Other than that, what part of Utah do you live in?


I was very successful with all of these openers. I hope you take something from them. They all messaged me back with happy messages added me to their messengers and eventually all of them wanted to meet me in person for a date.

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Question where have you been using these lines? I tried similar lines on plenty of fish with no luck at all.

The Meet Me section on hotornot.com
What do you mean your not getting results though? The message is designed to basically get a hi thanks for the compliment I like to do whatever for fun, in return. You don't get a lot back but they do reply me. Its after that initial hi I usually then make some small talk on either where they live or what they do for fun, and compare those things to where I live, or have been, and what I do for fun.
Then after their reply I can start taking it a little further with interesting questions. Typically by this point I want them on messenger though. Interesting questions lead to interesting conversation, I've even done the cube over messenger and the think of a number routine.


Hi, Crystal. My name is Martin and I agree your partner should be your best friend. Most girls have a just friend zone, and a potential dating partner zone, but if you like to mix them up that sounds good to me lol.
I see that you like to be spontaneous? Thats awesome. You should tell me about one of your adventures just going out and doing something crazy

You wrote hi 4 days ago
Hey, lets chat on msn.
Mine is
She wrote Re: hi 2 days ago
i only have yahoo if you want to there its

You wrote Re: hi 2 days ago
I don't have yahoo. That's ok. We can talk here.

So what do you do for fun?
She wrote Re: hi 47 hours ago
im down for pretty much anything but drug i like trying new things and being open minded

You wrote Re: hi 40 hours ago
Yeah, I like to do anything fun myself. Skydiving is my favorite hobby, but I do a lot of partying and traveling too.
She wrote Re: hi 37 hours ago
never been skydiving and i never travel the last place i went was washington for my sisters funeral so ya

You wrote Re: hi 30 hours ago
I'm sorry about your sister.
You should try jumping out of a plane sometime. Its a lot of fun.
Do you go clubbing much? I like to go to area, and some of the other clubs in downtown slc, theres a lot of interesting people at them sometimes.
I hate how awkward messaging someone you don't know can be sometimes lol. Lets just rob a bank, we'll get to know each other the getaway lol. JK.

So what music do you listen to?

She wrote Re: hi 22 hours ago
i like the club stuff but i dont have any friends to go with and i like any kind of music BUT classical and techno what about you ? thanks about my sis the 6th will be one year not wanting it to come


This one isn't going where I want it to, but she's obviously an HB9 and she's engaging me in conversation and giving me opportunity to connect by giving out personal information like her sisters death. So it might not be traditional game but it works for me lol.




Whats up Kerrie? When I seen your description and pic I just had to click yes. My name is Martin, I love to party and go clubbing, and I'm into extreme sports.
I see your from London I'm from the states, so when I vacation this spring maybe we can meet up. (less..)
She wrote Re: hey 22 days ago
lol heya martin, where bouts r u goin 2 to n london.... awww bless thanx 4 dat soo do u have msn ? and what part of the states r u from ?
wb kerrie XXxXxXX

You wrote Re: hey 22 days ago
I don't know yet where I in London I'll be going. My sister visited the tower of London and said that I must see it, but I think I'm more interested in going clubbing there, and just generally meeting people rather than doing the typical tourist thing.
I do have msn. add me

She wrote Re: hey 21 days ago
aww kool, 2 b honest i dnt rele lyk the tower of london find it pretty boring everytym i go there n ive onli ever been 2,i prefer the theme parks and clubbing scene 4 the nyt lol but yea neyways ive added you, soo no doubt il tlk 2 u soon

This one went ideally we had short conversation, and established basic interest then once she added me to MSN things went much more smoothly.

She is clearly an HB7 and once on msn I got her to agree to meet me when I do travel to London and we are making plans as to what we are going to do together when I get there.

I posted pictures only to demonstrate that the nice opening message does work on women whom are good looking in case you had any doubts. The fact they are on a dating site simply shows they aren't meeting any worthy mates in real life. Just being online for a woman is a DLV eliminating the need for negs.

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Have you met Crystal? I think in real life she'll be a lot heavier than her picture leads you to believe....

HB7 (sorry, forgot name) is probably an 8+ IRL, but that's just my unscientific opinion. In the past month I've learned a lot about myspace angles.

edit: curious, do you have a paid membership? cause it requires one of you to be a star member before you can IM....

I have been doing online dating for nearly 2 years and I seem to be in a downward curve for the past few months. When I did well it was when I was behaving like you are. I've recently read this article by Style http://www.seductiontuition.com/neil-st ... -game.html He says "this will make the personals such a turkey shoot that you’ll probably stop using because they’re so boring. Seriously." So I'm thinking the "nice" approach works but perhaps it is much less powerful than the "asshole" approach Style talks about.

I've ran the asshole approach, and to be honest I lose out on what to say to these girls within a couple messages. He did his in a newspaper, we are online. These girls are used to guys online that brag about how cool they, I get better results online if I'm a nice guy. I don't brag about how cool, or rich, or good looking I think I am. I do however hint around it.

I haven't met either of these 2 girls yet, but I know what you mean. I have been quite mislead before. I have seen other pictures, the one I call HB7 has long black hair, and tan skin and would totally be an hb9 if she would just pluck her eyebrows. I've seen HB 9's full body pictures, and she does have a decent body. Probably a size 3 or 4 dress. So in all honesty she may only be an hb8, but when I meet them I will know for sure.
I'm traveling a lot right now, so actually meeting the blond may take longer than normal, she's in SLC, and I'm normally in that area, but right now I'm in Jackson Hole WY, and soon I'll be in Grand Junction CO, so I'm taking my time to talk to girls online without any hurry to meet them, and I'm practicing a ton out in the field. Nothing more reassuring about a town you know you'll be leaving in a couple weeks. Makes gaming a lot less pressure.

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There's nothing more sexy than a mysterious man who travels a lot. Play up on that! heh

Hey Kodierer,

That's totally inspirational and a great read. Thanks for sharing!

-1Mystique

yeah awesome stuff. cheers man

Nice openers... But got any tips for Faceboook?

nice lines mate
Ps: I thnk the rating sometimes is tricky. For instance your HB9 I would rate HB7 and your HB7 I would rate HB9