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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:45 pm 
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true, but how will your confidence be affected if you find out shes not attracted to you? or your ego which would grow?
This is generally speaking from before or early interaction. Unless you make a mistake or do something wrong she will be. And your ego doesnt have to grow with it, i know i can shoot 3 pointers in bball at a very high %, I dont have an ego about it tho. There is a difference between knowning your good and being big headed about it. Boasting/bragging compared to addmitting your good at something.


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There is a difference between knowning your good and being big headed about it. Boasting/bragging compared to addmitting your good at something.
listen to yourself. is ASSUMING that ALL girls are attracted to you not big headed? of course it is! why? because they are not! would it not be better to assume that you have girls who are attracted to you - but not all of them??

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No, its far worse. Because then u will still spend time wondering IF SHE IS.
Everytime you think IS SHE, WHAT IF, IF ONLY I KNEW or something to that effect you are NOT living in the moment. Every second you spend out of the moment, your interaction risks become un-natural and therefore she WONT be attracted to you.
To be truly confident you cant think, you have to know.
Personally i feel VinDecarlo descriped it best in his 4EP model,
Intention ---> Focus ----> State -----> expresion

You intention is what you initally set out to do
Your focus is what you do about it
State is outside things effecting how you feel
Expression is what is shown to the world.

If you know they are always attracted to you, then you never focus on the possiblity of it not going right therefore you will never express that doubt.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:26 pm 
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No, its far worse. Because then u will still spend time wondering IF SHE IS.
Everytime you think IS SHE, WHAT IF, IF ONLY I KNEW or something to that effect you are NOT living in the moment. Every second you spend out of the moment, your interaction risks become un-natural and therefore she WONT be attracted to you.
To be truly confident you cant think, you have to know.
Personally i feel VinDecarlo descriped it best in his 4EP model,
Intention ---> Focus ----> State -----> expresion

You intention is what you initally set out to do
Your focus is what you do about it
State is outside things effecting how you feel
Expression is what is shown to the world.

If you know they are always attracted to you, then you never focus on the possiblity of it not going right therefore you will never express that doubt.

Madals
If she is??? adding up whether she is or not is a skil if done properly. surely it is better to wonder whether she is attracted to you or not rather than THINK she is - when shes not??? im not sayin she wont be - but she might not be. ok saying you get IOD'd 10 times in the first minute/?? are you going to assume she is attracted to you?? of course not!"! coz your going to use your pua skills and read the signs. if shes not - then youve failed - shes not! if she gives you 10 IOD's and you still think she is attracted to you - and you make a move on her and get rejected - how can you say that assuming all girls are attracted to you is good for your frame?? it just lost you the target!! sounds like johnny bravo what you are describing!
''ohhhh i think she likes me''

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shes not! if she gives you 10 IOD's and you still think she is attracted to you - and you make a move on her
Why do u have to make a move if she is attracted to you. Like the orinigional poster said, it has to be used with PU skills.
I will put it a different way.
Assuming attraction means you go into a set thinking "she will like me, she will be attracted to me" rather than going into a set thinking "I hope i can get her to like me".
Dont fight an uphill battle in your own mind. Dont make it all extreem.

I hope you understand what i am saying, since SPAM you seem to be looking at in extreems (10 IOD's and she hasnt told you to F off?).


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yeh i do get what your sayin. not much point of attraction apart from taking it somewhere or just usin her attraction for you as a dhv. why not close???? and ok - what happens when she tells you to f off? or 10 iods? not that extreme for an afc i would imagaine.

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But would an AFC have this mentality? unlikly.
Assuming attraction means when u see something that could be interprited as an IOI, u assume she is attracted to you. It stops you hesitating and second guessing yourself. Still use it with common sense tho.


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yeh i do get what your sayin. not much point of attraction apart from taking it somewhere or just usin her attraction for you as a dhv. why not close???? and ok - what happens when she tells you to f off? or 10 iods? not that extreme for an afc i would imagaine.
OK V1V you're clearly not getting the point of assumed attraction, it's not their so you ignore everything to the point where you rape every girl who smiles at you. Even you know that that is ridiculous. Assumed attraction refuses to give you a reason to back out when she smiles then folds her arms, it is a POSITIVE mind frame, it means you accelarate fast and smoothly, which if your guessing woman incidently love.

Now thats not to say you should assume she likes you, Assumed attraction is their to give you ocnidence from get go, you know how many times IOI's are hidden purposly, the answer is.... A lot.

Now if you want to take something to an extreme of course it will be reduntant. MM for example. You wanna show active disinterest while having sex with a girl? Be my guest, feel free to watch her leave.


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AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!! YOU MANIPULATIVE BASTARD! :evil: :P

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mate. i dnt give a fuck. i want sex. lol.

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V1V your mind is so powerful that maybe if you have that mentality of all women are attracted to you, all women ARE attracted to you. You kind of sound like an AFC with his only goal in mind is to get laid. but i could be wrong and you could be right. So guys whats better thinking that all girls are attracted to you? or thinking that they arent? I know from experience which mindframe works best but what do you guys think?


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V1V your mind is so powerful that maybe if you have that mentality of all women are attracted to you, all women ARE attracted to you. You kind of sound like an AFC with his only goal in mind is to get laid. but i could be wrong and you could be right. So guys whats better thinking that all girls are attracted to you? or thinking that they arent? I know from experience which mindframe works best but what do you guys think?
im not an afc friend lol.

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alright just checking dude


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Guys this is somewhat of a tough frame to maintain. If you do it, it is golden. I did it for about thity-six hours and got four numbers. My FRs go on all about it. I believe it takes substantial field-testing in order to never leave it but if this can be done than I believe you will amaze yourself with your progress. V1V, I understand your point but I came up with this because I tend to think and act in black and white. This is the as black and white as a frame could get, but allows me (and others) to focus on what is really important.

Remember all girls are attracted to you but some will be more than others. This frame would allow you to better see which are which. I had girl on Halloween that was giving me some sledgehammer to the head IOIs and I missed them. With this frame I feel that such occurrences are likely not to happen again.

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Remember all girls are attracted to you but some will be more than others. This frame would allow you to better see which are which
now this is a FANTASTIC idea. i feel it would be a comprimise between the two. i could work with this - even better - im going to start working with this. thanks man.

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As far as I'm concerned, great frame consists of only 2 things - not giving a shit, and thinking positively nomatter what. I don't think it needs to be any more complicated than that. :mrgreen:


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