I met a girl recently on the internet and she seems like a great girl and would like to keep her (I'll reassess after we've actually met!!).

If I try to f-close on the first date, and fail (I'm still a newbie, ) will it adversly impact any further relationship prospects?

If I do succeed, is she more likely to think of it as a one off and not want to continue the relationship?

I don't care either way whether I f-close or not first time around or not, I'm just not sure if it makes any difference.

You have not even met this girl. You shouldn't be thinking about F-Closes, and you DEFINITELY shouldn't be thinking about creating a relationship with her.

How do you know she has any traits you even like?

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Online gives you a false since of really knowing someone; especially, if you have had a lot of email/text contact before the date. Plus, your brain can play tricks on ya and oneitus can creep in pretty easy.

Trust me....you want to meet them before you let the happy ever after shit runaway with ya. I met this one chick and her pic had to of been from highschool because she was a trainwreck when I met her. No where near what she was projecting on her profile or through her emails. Live and learn.

I would concentrate more on other aspects of the game for the date. Staying relaxed, keeping easy interesting conversation, eye contact and adding kino. Then if she's down with an f'close on the 1st date that's up to you. But, if you can project yourself as the shit...then it really don't matter what date you close on...she'll be hooked
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Just do it. Don't try, just do it. Be smooth.

Yeah, I'm getting a bit ahead of myself I know... And like I said, I'll reasess after I've met her. I have spoken to her on the phone though.

My question was more generally wanting to know whether trying to f-close on the first date would affect any further relationship prospects. The consensus seems to be not really...

Anyway, cheers for the feedback!

Just try it. Only way you will learn. If you have more than a hundred posts on here I seriously doubt you are getting much. Think about it. When you are making 5,000 word posts some of us are tapping that junk.

Keep us posted on how the shit goes down

I got back a short while ago. A field report was requested so here it is...

Didn't F-close, but was a very good first date. Day 2 is table tennis and drinking apparently Being Australian, we generally do the drinking first, but whatever...

Anyway, she was damn fine looking girl. Asian (Japanese), short, petite and beautiful legs and ass, and very cute face - just my type of girl.

One MAJOR thing I noticed driving to the cafe we were meeting was I WASN'T NERVOUS. I was EXCITED. I can't remember where I read it but a great quote came to mind that summed up this feeling: "Change is slow. Real change is so slow you don't even notice it. You just wake up one day and things are different"

I don't do any routines, because even though I have memorised a few, I never remember to use them. Now when I talk to a women I keep a few very basic things in mind:

1 - Don't DLV - this was a major problem and I'm sure was a turn off to the women I was talking to.
2 - DHV - I still don't do this properly, it often still comes out as bragging.
3 - Smile and maintain eye contact - One thing that still amazes me is that a woman will simply keep looking straight back into your eyes for basically the entire time you are together. I never realised this before getting into the game.
4 - Threading conversations
5 - Be sexually suggestive (where appropriate) and make sure to indicate sexual interest to avoid the friend zone
6 - Kino - I still suck at this - it feels very unnatural, but I'm learning slowly.

So, enough bullshit...

We meet at a cafe and small talk ensues. The subject of the beach comes up and she says that I must get a lot of the attention being so handsome I don't remember how I responded to this I tell her she must look great in a bikini. She says she doesn't have a bikini. I play around with that for a bit before conversation moves on.

It's said that your job is a no no on a date but I'm an elementary school teacher, and I just can't resist the misty eyed look I get from women when telling stories about the kids I teach. It's great DHV but I use it sparingly. This girl lapped it up.

We were in the cafe for about an hour before bouncing to a nearby restaurant. She loved it and thanked me for showing her the place, so my choice was definately DHV.

More small talk... Also got into some deeper shit that I won't bore you all with.

I had brought my camera so I showed her some photos of the previous weekend (can't be bothered with a full explanation - but it was an AWSOME weekend, thanks mostly to my new found social skills). I forgot to do a photo of us together though. Was going to get one of the waiters to do it but it kind of slipped my mind. No biggie.

Like I said, I SUCK at kino. I did what I could BUT... I can't remember what we were talking about, but she mentioned I had beautiful skin, so I took her hand and went to put it against my face, she took her hand back quickly (FUCK!!!) but it turns out she wanted to wipe her hands on the wet hand towel thingy some restaurants give you before touching my georgous face (hahaha). I do the same thing to her and she seemed very comfortable about it. Everything I've read about body language says touching a womans face is a big deal - so big kino points here.

Those were the highlights. Right now I'm just working on being 'in the moment' with reference to the points above. Basically, this means being good conversation and fun to be around. I didn't mean for this post to be so long, but I felt this interaction was definately on another level to anything I've done so far so kind of got carried away.

Why didn't I f-close? It would have been a stretch... And I was already exhausted from lack of sleep and a big day. My energy was definately on the wane. She even mentioned toward the end of the night that I looked tired, so I decided not to try and force it.

I didn't kiss close, but I know for Japanese girls, a kiss is a much bigger deal than for us westerners and never done in public. But I brought up table tennis again just before leaving and she did the J-girl jumping up and down clapping her hands thing so I guess day 2 is in the bag.

Cheers!

you're doing great. try this tip to make things even easier.

instead of calling it f-close and k-close, say what it is.

if you like her, yes, try to kiss her. if there's chemistry, yes, try to fuck her. trying and not getting it does not mean she doesn't like you, in fact, she likes you waaaaay more if you try with confidence and aren't all hung up on the outcome than if you wait forever.

trying to kiss her tells her you like her. she likes that. it turns her on way more than any bullshit "DHV".

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hey man, you're doing great.

Honestly, I'd shift the focus a little from trying to kclose/fclose.
Just go out and have the best time of your life...

And if that leads to kissing or more, then great! Otherwise, have fun and it will come naturally. There's a lot of pressure if you're going with an objective like that in mind, but little if you're just going to have a good time yourself.

Although kissing should come early, it's not a crucial part. Especially, if as you said, it's not a common thing to do in their culture. (mind you, if she lives here, things might be different)

Keep it up!