Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!...........hold up.

First lets get one thing straight (Literally). I DO NOT like any of that low talent, low self esteem, crap music, badly dressed, sticky carpeted club scene tripe..........

However. I went through my dvd collection the other day and pulled out a copy of the Matrix, a film I hadn't seen since 2003.
Apart from kicking ass (obviously) and being one of the best movies of all time was it me or did Carrie Anne Moss in PVC look- hot- hot - hot?
Not giving it a second thought after it finished I flicked through some channels and spotted both a feature on Dita Von Teese and then on on Rose McGowan ("gun leg woman" from planet terror)- both gothic pin ups.

Admittently I did use to like metal up until 2003- and even attended the Motley Crue Re-Union in 2005-attended by 6 Female Fetish Wear models who were bonafide 10s and about 6.5ft (7 foot including near vertical thigh high boots) (hey you know Neil Strauss also wrote "the Dirt" by Motley Crue?- how did Amazon inform me about The Game?)

But "straight club game" with nice furnishing and VIP is my real indentity (long story-but trust me it is true).

Like a thorn in my side though I was so curious about fucking a goth chick- that I decided to day game one. Despite being a hard target (talk about LMR for the whole 2 1/2 hour Open, Sarge, Bounce, Extract, F-close) I used my previous knowledge of metal to "fake" her interest in me and got her to F-close me.

I then told my online PUA buddies...................what a mistake. They were either a) jealous that I f-closed another girl within a half week period or b) thought "you F-closed a what?" becuase I lost contact with them after that.
Admittently- even with a wardrobe of PVC outfits, stockings, latex dresses and being proficient in BJs I couldn't handle her "doom, and gloom" persona and deleted her from my mobile phone.

So guys whats your opinion on Goth/Pop Alternative/Rock chicks?
Why do I get the feeling that I have just "outed" myself in some way?
In case you're asking my next "alt target" is some tokyo japanese pop culture babe

1. You honestly think that BS stereotypical goth is true?
2. I quite like my goth friends, they seem to be good fun, I would describe myself as one, but they vary like everyone else. Thiers probably goths out their I don't like. Why the hell would I care about a subculture? thats a little judgemental.
3. The community doens't out people due to who they hang out with. In all honesty if they bailed on you for closing a goth, I wouldn't call them buddies.
4. Metal isn't strictly goth. Thats like saying all horse riders enjoy polo, it's close but not really the same. The mood of goth rock, compared to metal is often quite different. And their are a number of other differences. But that's not for here....

In my experience they are great fun and really sweet (sweeter than "normal" girls). Plus its a big advantage that we can go to gigs together and in my experience they tend t be slightly more kinky in the bedroom and not the smoke and mirrors kinky most normal women are (such as I like kinky things and they nibble on your neck slightly).
Definitely worth gaming as are the punk girls, what they lack in style they make up for in personality.

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I would also say they also tend to be more open to things as well.

They are more open to new ideas. This is why they choose to rebel against whatever.
But there are as many stupid ones here as in any other subcommunity in society.

Allright... I Looooooooove goth chicks!

Well...I guess I'll be the nay-sayer here. Although I think it is totally bad ass to set your target and knock it down, and then be able to move on with no regrets...the fact that you're "second guessing yourself" (at least that's the vibe I got from the post) maybe let's you know it was a mistake. I'd only say that if you are happy you did it and can move on, then right on. What actually caught my eye on your post though was what you said about the "mainstream japanese...." This is because I am currently in Japan on business, and have to say the American mainstream Japanese girl is nothing like what is here. I went to the Japan annual Tokyo Kink Society Fetish Ball and that was the only time I saw anything even similar to what we see in the states. A majority of the chics WERE goth looking/S&M----with these girls, the two kind of correlate since there is no "counterculure." Either way, high five for shooting a good thread. jj

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Skanks? Cool chicks? Depends on the girl, dude.

All my experiences have been absolutely righteous, overall.

Then again, I prefer Goth and Punk girls to "norms".
It's all a matter of taste and perspective, like anything else.

Hell YES...and well said.

yeah. totally agree with you dude.
but then again, i am a huge hxc/punk/metal fan so it makes sense that i prefer those who share the same taste in music and culture as i do.

remember dude, each girl has her own personality.
they're all interesting and fun in their own way (even if you dont see it).
in all honesty, i've met a greater percentage of hot "normal" girls who are skanks and dirty than rocker girls. dont get me wrong, you do get some twisted ones.. but most are just as kind and sweet and awesome as any "normal" girl

Funny that's you guys posted something like this.

How would you guys suggest a guy that has no even a shred of connection to the "goth/punk/pinup" culture go about successfully closing one of these girls?

I am more hip/hop urban culture myself but I find myself weirdly attracted to the dark clothed, pale skin goth girls. They just do something for me. I just want to take them home and ravage them, hahah, but with all the game I have, and have been able to accrue from PUA, i have not been able to successfully pull on due to the culture wall.

Anyone wanna take a crack at this one?

well, they wont be impressed by any references you make to the hiphop/urban culture. in fact, most in the rock/metal scene absolutely despise hiphop and pop culture (probably due to their non-conforming rebellious and anti-establishment nature)

just as normal hotties (i'll refer to them as pop culture hotties rather, its more fitting) normally frown upon guys with long black hair and a pentagram on their shirts, the girls in the rock/metal scene generally dont like the guys who dress stylishly etc. now, we know that you can get around it with tight game but without good game those girls are just as unlikely to pull a jock as the pop culture girls are to pull a dude who dresses like the guys from cradle of filth (google it if you dont know)

i'd probably suggest trying to find some common ground with them so you can add some value because you're already looking like the exact type of person that annoys her (if she's like the rest of the "non conforming" goths )

thats all i can think of.

well, Im a rocker with no hope of quiting it...

I think my experience goes a lot on about the culture, cause Im in a rich kids city of brasil

my experiences with alternative girls haven't been very good
you know, nobody like depressive people!
the last one I got was a total nut, 23 years and complaining about life like a 15 retarded emo... plus coke addiction

I really hate being with chicks that haven't 'found themselves', you know, those disturbed tipes...they'll think its weird that you feel so good about yourself to the point of hitting them this way

but this is also because of another problem about the alternative types of this city specifically, they're really immature, and also sexually immature... social phenomena speaking, maybe because it's a young city(about 50 years) with still not big rock culture

haha Cradle of Filth. I used to listen to them.

I used to listen to ALOT of punk back in the day too. i pretty much listen to anything as long as it is hard and has good lyrical content.

I would imagine my one strong point is that while I dress stylishly I very much know what is going on in the scene musically.

i agree though, your game has to be super tight to pull girls from different subcultures. The ability to do so is lacking.

Time to get to work, lol!

Gotta disagree with you Chief-sorry

By gaming a sub-culture for the sake of gaming a sub-culture, it comes across as "social leeching".

Back in 2003 when Hip Hop was played in all nightclubs I used to venture to a Hip Hop club, purely because it had "big booty hoes".

Because I was an outsider coming in, I was buying into someone else "reality/frame" when in fact their frame was an illusion. It was all posturing and nothing else. I was coming off lower value.

I had the bestest of itentions and actually got into Hip Hop because I liked it at the time the proper dancing, respecting club dynamics (Hip Hop closes take 3 hours of dancing, gradually but surely gettin closer to the target)
At the end of the day though I was not 120% authentic and plus 90% of the girls were in it only for
a) Free drugs from dealers
b) Getting black cock (when Im white)