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Believe it or not I have never studied the "original" Mystery Method as such- I only did so via Love Systems Magic Bullets and to a (much) lesser degree RSD Foundations DVD set.

However I managed to get hold of a copy of Mystery Method "Venusian Arts Handbook" which featured the notorious
A 1-2-3
C 1-2-3
S 1-2-3

Initally I was quite intimidated by Mystery as I thought I would have to learn Magic Tricks or wear ridiculous outfits.......how wrong were my preconceptions.
EVERY PUA out there has ripped Mystery off one way or another. Ok whilst no numbering system, the basic concepts are just a knock off of what Mystery was teaching inckuding key words Opening, Comfort, Seduction, Qualification, Disqualification, Hoop Theory, Direct Indirect etc.

I now realise there is no better way to calibrate interactions from start to finish, than the A3 Model.

Unless someone can come up with a Method that DOESN'T use MM please note them here...................................................................................

Mystery has quite literally cracked the code to humanity. Even if PUA's dont believe in his methods they should at least show him the decency and respect that he deserves.
V1V

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Mystery has the basics figured out, but the way he lays it out is too scientific for some. The method is not natural when the person using it overthinks everything. MM has some very good points and is a good system, but it is by no means the only system out there.

The Mystery Method is really great and Mystery has spearheaded a lot of innovations in our community, but there are problems with it.

For one thing, his method presupposes and even reinforces certain limiting beliefs such as you starting off as lower value than the girl.

I really don't see how Gunwitch Method is based off of MM. Speed Seduction is also drastically different. Also, anything that involves Direct Game is usually a lot different.

The layout is absolute gold, when I first read it it made no sense to me and acted to confuse me more than anything but having broken down my game on nights I have done well the a1-a3 etc makes a lot of sense. My advice would be look at the concepts of MM and what you consider to be the main stages of an interaction and what needs to be achieved in each of them.
Doing this will lead you to something that is a manageable and relevant (to you) take on MM.

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I don't think people have a big problem with the mystery method so much as they have a problem with mystery. His VH1 show is making it alot tougher on normally successful sargers especially with this second season that just released the popularity of the show has risen as well as awareness of pick up artists it's just a personal opinion of mine though.

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i swear by the mystery method. i've researched a lot of PUA material, and i think the mystery method is by far the best.

whats books should I read besides Mystery's Venusian Art's handbook to get a good start into being a better pua. I've only read the Game.

David D e-book
Venusian Arts
Magic Bullets

What are some other books to read?

Don't get me fucking started on this. First of all our ex-PUAF owner Brad was a fucking idolizer of MM and that made me hate it, then I actually decided to try it and felt like a total assclown.

Like I'm some puppet for the girls that has to put on a show for them. I'd rather be direct/myself. I mean the end result is the same? I just don't put on magic shows and run canned, formulated game.


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First of all, Mystery is overrated. He is not as fucking good with women as everybody thinks and gets blown out of sets. Second, I can think of 15 better mPUAs and they each have better methods, it's called be your best fuckin self. With a little noggin power and inner game, MM is shit on a cob.

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Allright... Anyone who does not know that I love Mystery have not read any of my posts. The man is the greatest person to walk this earth since Adam (who got 100% of the women available)...

Despite this I do not always use the MM exclusively. I have read all PU literature I could get my hands on except NLP and I have integrated pieces from almost everyone into my game.

The MM is extremely important to learn sine it describes the structure of the game. You just have to understand it and then build your own game on its structure. It is a skeleton, a blueprint, a scaffold.

I use David DeAngelos cocky funny stuff for maintaining my frame and I use that attitude instead of using negs (same same different name anyway). I use David DeAngelos thoughts on inner game to fill the holes in my body language and appearance (tribal leader).
I use some Ross Jefferies stuff for my inner game too.
I use openers from other people or that I have come up with myself.
I use DHV stories I have come up with myself.
I have stolen some games and mindreading stuff from Style and Mystery to build comfort and attraction.
I use cold reading from some other magicians.
I use magic tricks from mpegs I found on the internet.
I use stuff from Juggler, pieces from Sinn and Savoy, bits from pickup101, routines from Tyler Durden, games from Style annd structure from Mystery.

Why choose one guru when you can learn so much from all of them? I would like to say that yes my game is based on MM but I have changed so much that it is not clear to anyone who is not really into pickup. This is why I am not afraid of the films, series, articles etc in media.

I advise everyone out there to develop your own personal interpretation of the game. The only way to survive this game is to distinguish yourselves from the rest of the guys out there... As Mystery would say, the PUA is the exception to the rule!

Ezo

Mystery Method works for some. It doesn't for others. I loved it in theory, but when I got out into the field, I found it made me think too much.

What step am I at? What step do I need to get to? What step can I get to? What do I need to do to get to the next step? etc. etc.

I do feel it gave me a good understanding of theory, but only because it was structured in a similar manner to what I use to study for classes. I also know a lot of people who couldn't understand what it was all about until I explained it in a different light to them.

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I agree, there are different perceived "skeletons" which is why we have different methods. However, like a skeleton, there are certain things that can not be changed without hindering performance. All the "skeletons" are built up around the same principals, with the same functionality in mind. Different skeletons fit different people better.

This is a good thing to keep in mind though. No "guru" has the end-all method. They merely have a "skeleton" with which you must create your own being. That "being" is what we would call natural game.

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I dislike the MM simply because there are so many wannabes that idolizes it and see it as the end all-be all pick up format. Take into the fact that a good 75% of these guys never even fully read any of Mystery's work, but are going off of online cliff notes, and then start asking/posting AFC-like 'Dear Abby' threads like "Help, I need advice," or "I'm with a HB8 and I...blah blah." Don't worry, that wasn't just a direct shot at just this particular forum, but many others that I frequent as well. It's not difficult to sit back and see who actually read the books, do the research, and went out to the field. Oppose to the AFCs who'll likely give up after a week of trying to work up the courage to ask a girl for her name.

Secondly, as mentioned several times by previous posters, Mystery is not the only Guru out there and his method is not the only ones readily available. There are numerous methodology out there, many being similar, some completely different. Once more, it's the so called 'disciples of the Mystery Method' that has put the MM in a bad light with me.

Third, Mystery is a Canadian. Nuff' said.

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I hate to admit it but I must say that my game is somewhat based off MM because it was the first thing on seduction that I read, but I agree with Reverse in that when I went out (when I was just starting), I over-analyzed EVERYTHING and got blown out countless times because of it. I dont think most of us on here blindly follow it because we all have experience and we know how to react in most situations.

But, also I must agree with V1V. We have to give the man the respect he deserves.

Thankyou, Ive felt that way and now someone agrees. Kinda pisses me off, and famous station VH1, is now telling EVERYONE about PUA's. And I guarentee girls watch it, the show is complete BS

If you guys are pissed about VH1 and The Pick Up Artist, then leave America! I understand that channel is on every tv in your country. Here in Britain you'll be VERY unlucky to find a girl who's had the ESP routine run on her, or the full Cube. Say PUA to a Yank chick, they know what you mean.
Say PUA to a Brit chick, they think you just swore at them in Finnish.

As for Mystery... well... you say his Method is too complex, too scientific.
You guys do know that a Method by it's nature IS scientific, HAS to be complex and mathematical (or at least logical) to count as a method. In fact, anyone care to mention ANYONE ELSE who came up with a Method before him?

DeAngelo etc had great ideas, but go and re-read the first few books/e-books published by the PUA community... for example...

DeAngelo has all these great ideas!

BUT!

He forms them,

into ridiculous strings of random sentencing!

Not only making it a ball ache to read...

But negating any kind of structured approach AS WELL!

It's just

a long, difficult to read

list of personality building tips

and dating advice!

NO METHOD!

Mystery took an unorganised pile of very well researched psychology and informed field practise, and turned it into the first pattern, the first Method, the first Game.

So say what you want, just always know that Mystery > you (and has probably > your sister)