Thanks for the advice

What the hell is the difference between best friends vs. boyfriend/girlfriend other than sex? So what you're saying is that you want to fuck her because hell, you already have a deep emotional connection with her. (Yeah, yeah . . . this connection will be deeper if you have sex . . . women say this all the time but they're women. They're supposed to say this)

Now think about this carefully and make sure that you're not wanting to dip into her pants because you think this is the easy path. You think you don't have to open her, routine her, etc . . . just veer her "friendship" attraction towards something "sexual" and the game is on? Write what ever you want on this forum but don't lie to yourself. This is important because you might get more than you ask for. . .

#1. You want to get in her pants? Absolutely, positively possible.

#2. You go to Penn State, 1 of the biggest party schools in the World. You dip into your friend and she WILL be your girlfriend. You will eventually be the guy who has the "girlfriend" from home. This is an incredible turn on to girls in schools as this is both a "safe approach" and a "challenge" all in one. For this reason and more, you will absolutely have many chances to cheat. If you cheat, your friendship with the friend will never be the same again. If you don't cheat (By the way, you will NEVER EVER not cheat in this situation unless you're a eunuch) you will have the most miserable college experience. Are you READY FOR THIS REALITY? If this is acceptable, continue.

#3. If you are that horny and if you really believe this is the only action you can get and you really, really want to go this route, game her now. Don't wait . . . She's calling you, writing you, etc . . .because she has the new kid in school blues. Once her social circle is built and has solid ground, she will receive positive reinforcement for "hanging out" with certain guys in school. Right now, she's being gamed every f'ing day. It's only a matter of time until even the "sizzle" from this "friendship" burns out a bit. Once she has sexual support, she'll also shift her emotional support the guy who's fucking her.

#4. So you want to game her? Well, you better begin gaming other girls quick or at the very least create a bit of competitive spirit in her head. She needs your emotional support. Well, she better suck your cock or your oh so caring support goes to some bimbo on campus . . . get it? But you never, ever say this. You say the opposite. You say, you'll still be my best friend. You're still the coolest . . . get it?

#5. Once this nervousness is planted, you set yourself up for a 1 on 1. This is easy to do as you've always been together. If she drinks, set up a drinking thing. You need a lot of "stage prop" she can point to as an "excuse" for this "unintended encounter"

Now here's one way . . .

#6. WRESTLE! Yeah. . . You're not going to give her a body slam. Escalate some teasing. You've been with her for ages, you know how to get her going. She's going to punch your arm. Then you, "Oh, don't make me open up a can of my whoop ass!" Grab, tickle, escalate. Every move from every minor break should escalate closer to her punani. I'm very serious. And this isn't some "Well, I didn't mean to touch you there, sorry." This should eventually get to grab her by both ass cheeks lift her up and drop her on your sofa/bed. She'll know EVERYTHING. All you're doing is giving her an easy path to suck your cock. This should be heart racing, vigorous exercise. Then you come to an immediate stop. Stare at her eyes . . . lips . . . wait for it . . . then caveman. She'll resist at first. But this is something she's thought of all the time already. 100% she'll give in . . .

#7. Prepare for fall out.

I hate to agree with kasabi but his post is pretty much right on. Its a win/win, lose/lose situation depending on the person whoes in the situation.

I ran this by a giggle of girlfriends who ALL, UNIFORMLY agreed with me - but this ONLY works with REAL friendships... not girls whom you've only befriended because you couldn't get them to sleep with you....

Here goes:
Women want to have fun.
Women love to have sex!

This may include Recreational-Only Sex with MEN THEY KNOW THEY CAN TRUST!

Naturally, anyone they consider truly a friend would fall into that category - BUT NO ONE WANTS TO RISK LOSING A FRIEND!

Therefore most women won't chance beginning a sexual relationship where there is currently a solid friendship.

THEREFORE IT IS ESSENTIAL that the girl understands she absolutely won't lose your friendship either way, and that
YOU ARE OFFERING HER SOMETHING - NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING!

The decision is ALWAYS in her court.

Most women have learned the hard-way that IF they sleep with a guy whom they respect, appreciate, and admire - BUT ARE NOT OVERLY TURNED ON BY - it will end badly, when the guy begins to wish to become their 'Boyfriend'. They will lose their opportunity to be 'Just Friends' with that guy once things sort themselves out, because HIS ego will be bruised and he won't be able to forgive her for the 'rejection' he feels.

IF YOU COMMUNICATE TO A FEMALE FRIEND IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS:

A ) YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN BEING HER BOYFRIEND, nor do you want her as 'your Girlfriend' -- 'cuz while the respect/friendship/admiration is there in abundance, the chemistry isn't a fit - there's no 'Romantic Crush' aspect for how you feel about her - Just true, real, justifiable appreciation, and that's enough!

B ) YOU ARE ALREADY HER FRIEND which makes her much more important and interesting than just someone you'd like to have sex with - and you wouldn't change that for the world; BUT.... You are a boy, and she is a girl, and that's a nice arrangement.

Try saying something like this to her: "You know I would NEVER fuck-you-over; ...But I'd gladly fuck you over-and-over!"
(I have used this line for a decade with fantastic success - it's light and cute and funny and reassuring all at once)

C) YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH HER PURSUIT OF 'MR. RIGHT' nor would you stop pursuing and sleeping with other girls... in fact, you'd appreciate any pointers or suggestions which would help your Game, and of course you'll be more than happy to hook her up with new guys you think might suit her...

D) YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE THIS WITH HER - and there's truly no urgency at all - nothing will change between you either way; at least, not negatively ...but you know you'd be a fool not to let her know that you'd enjoy having friendly-fun-without-strings with her, and that she can rely upon you for non-judgmental acceptance.

That last bit, the 'non-judgmental acceptance', is a FANTASTIC OFFER for any woman. It guarantees her the security she craves, and relaxes the fears she may have about her reputation's being damaged by her taking you up on your offer...

You are offering her a 'FREE PASS' - because YOU WON'T COUNT!
When she considers the number of guys she'll admit to having 'been with' - SHE WON'T 'COUNT' YOU - You're her FRIEND!
There's no 'romance' there, no chance of a 'serious relationship', and no need to write-about you in her diary... YOU SIMPLY WON'T COUNT!

REMEMBER, that's what's happening here: YOU ARE OFFERING HER SOMETHING SHE WANTS, and at a price she can afford!
(ie, fun sex with someone who will stick around, be loyal (though not exclusive!) and trustworthy, and IS her friend-for-real.)

My comfort in this Frame, the notion that WOMEN LOVE SEX, and would have lots more of it if they felt confident that their partners weren't going to disappear OR become Cling-ons, is absolute.

One caveat, again - YOU CAN ONLY OFFER THIS IF YOU TRULY WILL REMAIN FRIENDS WITH THE GIRL, EITHER WAY:

She might not immediately accept your offer; she might not agree for months, or until someone she's seeing flakes on her, breaks up with her, or whatever; or maybe NEVER. But if you are SINCERE, and nothing changes either way between you, you will rise in her esteem and SHE WILL consider it, subconsciously as well as consciously.

If you are faking, if you change your behavior towards her once you make the offer, if you are trying to GET HER rather than offer yourself TO HER, she'll sniff it out, and you'll seriously drop in her estimation. Maybe costing you the friendship.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy
"The Man Who Didn't Count"

I think im going to stop giving advice on some of these things until ive done something more than 2 times. Its nice to see someone like johnny on the boards. I like his option much more than kasabi's and my own lol.

Johny Explained things perfectly.

well for what it;s worth heres my side:

Being her friend (best friend) means you two should be physically comfortable, right? that means you can kino all the way with her all the time. It also means you can talk about anything. Basicaly your bother comfortable with each other.

Alright ama just put it out there, SEDUCE HER! not openly but "as friends, discreetly"
When watching a movie or being together, just kiss her on the cheeks randomly until its comfortable for you two to kiss anytime anywhere(ok with some exceptions )

Touch her, sensually, her weist, neck,head arms, sometimes legs, basically places that isn't too close to her sexual organs, the SAFE ZONES. Touch her privates and she might freak if it's way too soon. start out with small not so noticeable caressing and build a seductive "motion." The motion, well you have to "feel it"

Bite her... neck, ears, some parts of her arms, etc.(safe zones)

EXPERIMENT, what she likes, her reactions, etc. never goto far, so stay from her butt, vagina, breast and possibly legs.

Escalate and NEVER push yourself, she has too OK it, she won't say "ok" or "thats good" but you should see how she reacts, it the sign's green keep going otherwise, stop or slow down, then slowly escalate again, But DON"T PUSH IT!!


Your goal is to get her horny. Once done, I dont know how she reacts when shes turned on, hopefully you'll find out

**Johny made a lot of good points**
1.Your offering her a Good time, not forcing
2.Cut the "i love you" BS out, biggest relationship killer, she might just want some fun..thats all.
3.DON"T FOCUS ON HER. You have a life now, right? enjoy it, meet other people while still messing with your "friend"
4.DON'T RUSH, rushing also ruins things

that's all bro, hope i helped