Hey guys this may be more relevant to the mPUAs and guys with really tight game but do you use your own methods?
At the moment I use the standard layout, Attraction, Comfort/rapport, Close but try to not use any canned things and have stripped out things I don't need to think about.
So I have a good idea of what I want and how to get it but would like to get to a point that is natural (which I don't think can be done using someone elses lines etc). So, did guys with their own method slowly phase out other peoples routines etc or did you break down your game and literally make a method that is relevant to you?

Sorry this is a bit of a train of thought post but I am trying to develop something that makes sense to me.

Just thought of something else that I suppose is relevant, me and my wing have both used lines that the other couldn't pull off if they practiced delivering it for hours. Could this avatar specific game be the start of this development or would it be impossible to be used by anyone else?

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Let me ask you a question
"Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel?"
Think about it for a moment..............

I love this forum and its authours originality. BUT so called "Canned Openers" with false time constraints work perfectly for a reason that they were designed to get past a problem when apporaching females and making a good first impression.
Who is this guy
What does he want
How Long is he going to stay here
"Hey guys I need to get your opinion on something, however I can only stay for a minute as Im with my very important friends"


I gotta be honest 95% of the posts on this forum could be answered if guys would just read the various E-books out there on the market and not expect sex, social dynamics or relationships to be handed to them on a silver platter...............

With all due respect, I disagree with this statement. He is not reinventing the wheel. The social dynamics are the wheel and your own style is more like the hubcap. Canned openers are great, but ultimately, using only canned openers limits your game severely. What if she's heard the opener already and calls you on it? By using situational or passive openers, you are eliminating this possibility.

Also, canned openers don't build any real pick up skills. They only make you good at delivering those particular lines. What if a woman approaches you and catches you off guard. If you are using only canned openers, you will be in a world of hurt. With the use of passive openers, women will open you and you won't know how to respond.

As far as creating your own system, I completely agree. The best way to make your own system is to follow the basic conventions of opening, creating attraction and escalating, but also doing it in your own particular way. The ultimate goal of a PUA should be to become a "natural. Hope that helps. I know I went a little off topic from your question. I don't mean to hijack your thread. If you have any questions on how to establish your system or find out what will work for you, don't hesitate to ask.

First, Jaybot you are not talking about "the standard method", you are talking about Mystery Method. Mystery came up with his own method and it is popular, but still not the main guideline for how to go about creating attraction. If you get yourself stuck in that thinking, then being more creative is gonna a lot harder, so I'd encourage you to not think like that.

Secondly, Fame2Advancement he isn't re-inventing the wheel, THERE IS NO WHEEL. Again, just because there are a few methods out there, doesn't mean that's what you are stuck with. Those methods should really just be training wheels and once you get the hang of things, EVERYONE should end up creating their own style that works for them.

I agree that everyone should end up basically end up being basically "naturals". That's the best and most healthy thing for people to aspire to become because you aren't just putting on a facade when that happens. The whole concept of "avatars" is a very psychologically destructive idea actually because it ends up causing you to have 2 completely different personalities that don't mesh and you can't attract girls whenever you want, you need to "turn on" your game.

I never have to turn anything on, because my method is just having fun, being happy and being me whenever and wherever I am. No lines. No routines. Just fun, excitement and the real me. That's my method and that's what I'm sticking to. I can't teach it to anyone, but I can help you create your own method, because your own method is just gonna be being YOU.

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i usually say "hi" and see where it goes, body language and everything else is so much more important than what you say.

when i was first learning i tried to follow a routine.

i try to just talk to a girl and see what she's all about, she gets too cocky i neg her with body language (slap on wrist, turn my knees away from her, look around after she says it)

Maybe I've just had really good luck lately.

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Hey, I've been into game for about a year now and while I don't claim to be anything of an expert or even remotely as accomplished as most of the guys on this board I have noticed a few things that're probably relevant to this thread.

When I started off I was practicing pure MM stuff, then I got more into MeHow and now I'm reading a lot of AFC Adam's stuff. What I noticed about all of these guys (and pretty much all other mpuas) is that while their pick-up models can differ greatly there are certain skills or concepts which need to be understood intuitively regardless of which model you follow.

So the model really isn't that important. They all get results but to employ any of them to a reasonable standard you need to understand and be comfortable with certain skills. After that, you can almost put it down to common sense and practice what order or how you mix-and-match these skills in any given pick-up.

These skills for me include but aren't limited to qualifying a girl, disqualifying yourself, escalating in various ways (kino, towards day 2 etc), building attraction (this is in itself an umbrella term for a collection of skills including DHVing and using David DeAngelo-style C&F), phase-shifting. Obviously not every skill is necessary in every pick-up but they're all important skills to have under your belt to be used when needed.

Essentially what I'm saying is it's more important to learn the various skills needed for pick-up and let the specific model take care of itself through practice.

I think this was the idea I was trying to get at, I suppose everyone who gets good will have their own method, if you could call it that but it is a very analytical way to look at something which will be unique, as it is the persons real self.
Thinking about it I think it would be unhealthy for me to attempt to create a new method, in the sense that it would be something that could be taught as I would be teaching people how not to be me and not themselves.

As for reinventing the wheel, it is much more of a look at what the wheel does and how. Eg to effectively carry a load what shape does the wheel need to be? to get the best grip what materials would it be made of? wow this is getting abstract lol

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everyone has a mix. i use MM (as does everyone to an extent), C&F, social dynamics and value reversal - LJBF zone and how to drop people in it - including yourself if you want to and how to snap out of it.

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As I said in another post, I use stuff from most gurus in my game but almost all of my routines are my own stuff. Stories from my life. Ok, my game structure is based on Mysterys stuff but it is only the general structure and it is one that makes sense to me. However, to be successful you have to be able to calibrate all the time and change your game if it does not work.
To use canned material and other peoples stories can definately work but for me it was just a way to get started. Using this stuff gave me the confidence and experience to use my own game.
And it feels good to know that if things start to go wrong you have many many prediscovered structures to fall back to.