My wing's a great guy and a good buddy. He's getting a lot better but he doesn't really know "our" version of the game. He doesn't have AA so he just plows his, "You're so beautiful" over and over again. If an HB creeps out, he just moves to the next set. Eventually, it works. Then he calls them over and over again typical "Hollywood Romance" style. Hey, it actually works . . . and we've been having fun with our different styles.

However, 2 recent things. . .

1. We live in the same complex and when I managed to isolate my target to bring her up to my apt, my wing had only 1 job to do. Keep her NOSY friends the F out of my apt. Within an hour, her "guy" friend knocked and he wasn't going anywhere without her. (The guy didn't even know where I lived. My wing simply told him and said good night. Of course he had his lay so he just wanted everybody out of his apt)

2. He keeps telling me his game is better. He acknowledges (because he's seen me do it over and over again) that my open/routine/# & K closes are the best he's ever seen(in clubs) but he's like . . . "It takes you a month to F close!" "I have no patience for that . . ." "At the end of the day, I score!" "Why are you trying to make 100 girlfriends?" (He's even challenged me . . . ) "We choose 1, let's see who F closes her first. Your style or mine . . "

Now I know I'm old enough to just say, "OK", and continue having fun but . . . Well, here's the story . . .

We were working on 2HBs who are friends. We already did the "This one is for you and this one is for me" game. So let's say hb(a) is his and hb(b) is mine.

We both had them 100%. Next meeting, we're both going in for the kill. But on our next meeting(a cocktail hangout in my apt), hb(b) couldn't show. She was overloaded with work. So it's just the 3 of us.

So I have to sit there and wing my buddy and support him but I must have had some residual emotions over the events mentioned above. I mean . . .I swear, I didn't plan anything but I just began running with it. I amoged my wing harshly in that "under the radar" way. I gamed hb(a) with the "Well, you're a kid and not really worth my time so I'm passing you off to my beta buddy" frame. I kept up the sexual talk. Instead of winging my buddy, I gamed her with my A game.

So now . . . with 1 meeting, everything shifted. He was pissed directly after the get-together but the following day when they met at the gym, he told me that hb(a) acted "cold" to him and now he's like . . ."You fucker . . .you broke the rules . . "

So . . . I apologized and I told him that I'll make it up to him by tossing hb(a) back in his direction. (I guess I'm a cocky bastard thinking that I can waggle her around anyway I wish)

Now here's where it gets interesting. The 4 of us were all to meet last night but . . . my buddy's got a business dinner. I'm getting funny vibes that hb(a) is f'ing me up for hb(b) as hb(b) is giving me the silence. Then hb(a) texts, "Martinis later at your place?" Before I could answer, another girl I know asks me out to dinner and this whole thing is turning out to be a mess so I just take off to dinner without returning hb(a)'s text.

Then during dinner, hb(a) calls, "OK, I'm coming down to your apt now."
Kasabi: Oops . . I'm sorry, I'm not home right now.
hb(a): Where are you?
kasabi: At dinner with a friend. Can't really talk right now.
hb(a): Oh OK, no problem. Can we do it tomorrow?
Kasabi: Sure.

And then to piss my buddy off even more, hb(a) texts him something like, "Where's Kasabi? Is he with you?"

Where to go from here? Hey, I'm a guy. I'd like to hit something:

1. Break the "rules", shift and f close, and be up front about it? This will definitely mess up our trust.
2. If we try to go back to the original frame, there's a chance that nobody gets any play from either of the 2 hbs. . .at least for a while . ..
3. Just drop the whole thing and move on? (But damn, these two make it so easy as they too live in the same complex)

Any more options?

Hey man, I think the first thing you've got to do is tell your buddy that you sort of fucked up with the whole AMOG thing, buy him a beer, and then put the decision on what to do in his hands. He's your buddy, so I'd say you owe that to him if you want to maintain that trust, and unless HB(a) is "the one", that's more important. About 8 years ago, I was gaming what is still to this day the hottest girl I ever had a chance with, and my buddy pulled the same AMOG shit on me, nailed her, then broke up with her like two weeks later. We're still like brothers today, but I STILL get bitter about that one and bust his balls from time to time

Now, there's a chance that your buddy might get bitchy about it and insist on getting back in the drivers seat with HB(a) or that both of you move on, but that would be retarded. It was only chance that decided you each would pursue the HB you "chose", so don't be too confined by that. If you have a chance to influence things, you should definitely accept that circumstances change, so shift and close with HB(a). Then help him with the other HB. If you pull it down, you guys actually show another side of your game by having the flexibility to adapt, so all is good. By putting the decision on what to do in his hands, you shouldn't be worried about the trust thing, and you shouldn't let him forget that if he gets bitter about that down the line.

It doesn't sound like you and your wind are on the same page, kasabi. I would go with option #1, especially if you haven't seen much action lately. I would recommend that you and your wing establish clear wing rules for the next time. However, in this situation it seems like it's 'anything goes'. After you and your friend sort this out, I highly encourage you two to set some ground rules for next time, to avoid these awkward confrontations.

But for serious, in this situation I would follow what your dick says is right. This way you will have the least regrets and the most excuses.
Good Luck, and happy drunken Wednesday to all!

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Dude it sounded like your whole frame for this particular set was, who style was better. You should have closed hba, right infront of your wing the first night. If he gets a little pissed, just tell him you were proving a point. And then proceed to help him with your next sarge. I wouldn't game the hb behind his back, direct is better.

Well the "beer team meeting" is done and out of the way. It was really a "ego thing . . .+ a bit of hormones". Had hb(b) been there, I would have probably put all my energy towards her.

And we talk about "style" but you know . . . we're just stupid MEN after all. The translation is, "YOU are less of a pick up artist than ME. I am better than YOU." . . .

So yeah, instead of "fighting words", I just pulled out my carving knives.

My frame is and has been for a while, if not this girl, the next one. If not tonight, then next week. I just don't really give a shit. My wing however, skips from one oneitis to the next oneitis.

hb(a) is still texting and calling me like, "Where are you?" "Work out together?" And my wing is still texting me throughout the day, "Did she text you? What did she say?"

I'd say I proved my point. I'm not going to actively game hb(a) anymore . . . at least not consciously. And I told my wing this . . . and I told him that we'll just start from scratch with both. Yesterday, I told him that I was going to take hb(a) and hb(b) to a popular lounge so that I could pivot them.(He had a business engagement) I told him that I'd come home with a list of 10 fresh numbers. He got all jittery and freaked, "No . . . you're going to fuck me up with these girls." So yeah, I'm still rubbing his nose in it. It's good enough for me.

LET him have the alpha title when its just you and him. when your in sets give it all of your amog skill.
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The last time we all went out, I couldn't pay any attention to her or my buddy would have freaked. But you know what this tends to do to attention seeking girls. Situations like this should probably be worked out between interested parties but now my buddy wants me to have a 1 on 1 with her to "clear the situation" for him. I just don't get it . . .

kasabi, dude...

One thing you should never do is try to fuck over your friend for an HB. You have just demonstrated some low-level bottom feeder mentality crap that you should really lay off. As far as your f-close thing is concerned, I think you're buddy is right when he says it takes you forever to close. Learn to escalate and learn to select women that are your "type" to make that easier. You're thing with your friend sending up the girl's male friend to "claim" her... Well, if your game was any good she should have told him to leave... You let some asshole take a girl away from you like that? wow... that's incongruent with the stand-up comedian version of tony robbins that you make yourself out to be....Seriously dude... Consider it...

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