robert lol thats terrible! girls are very self-conscious, if u go into that much detail they're more likely to cry and run off then feel DLV'd.

I know, but sometimes you have to knock them off of their pedestales otherwise they get to thinking that their shit don't stink and that is the whole point behind negs.

I know that it may sound mean, and maybe it is to a degree, but I just don't believe in holding any punches because girls can be and often are a lot meaner and that is why Mystery says that oftentimes you have to be and asshole at least at first otherwise they just will not respect you and if they don't respect you then you will have no value to them.

That's also why it takes calibration as you have to be able to match the situation with the girl so that you know as to whether you need to throw her a neg or not and in some cases you have to be an asshole just to get them to come down from their true and to start showing you a little respect and if you don't, then she will more than likely relegate you to the chump catagory which is just as bad if not worse than an LJBF.

Personally, between being in the chump catagory and being an LJBF I would rather be in the LJBF catagory as at least with an LJBF you can get out of that one if you know what you are doing, but once you are in the chump catagory in her mind then all is lost and there is no hope for recovery because anything that you do from there will be seen as nothing but a cheap ploy to get into her bed and her panties, and that is why you need to be strong and have a superior mindset than hers.

You need to remember that it is her that needs to conform to your reality and not you to her reality, so do yourself a favor and dewussify yourself so that you are the one that she is looking up to and respecting as that is how you get to DHV level. Any other way that puts you into her reality is a DLV and should be avoided like the plague.



Robert.

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All that I am saying to be a man about it and to not take her shit. Because if you take her shit and you let her get away with it, then she is going to think that you are not really much of a man and not worth her time.

If she wants you, then let her come to you. Don't make like an AFC and chase after her so that you can supplicate to her and want to kiss her ass as that is DLV behavior and it lowers your value in her eyes.

You can still be nice to her as long as you keep it real and do not under any circumstances lower your value by supplicating to her to give her what she demands. If she acts up, then treat her like a spoiled little child, but be firm, fair and congruent with everything that you do and say. If you find something that makes you happy, then do it. Don't sit around and wait on her as she may never come and all that you will end up doing is SPAM your power to her and that is a little like cutting off your balls and handing them to her on a silver platter.


I'm not sure if that makes sense to you or not, but I hope that it does, because I learned that from both Ross and Mystery.


Robert.

All valid points. I think this question revolves around the central aspect of seducing that is Demonstrating Value. She shit-tests you to see how you react, and so you can:

1. Ignore her and show your self-confidence & maturity & thus DHV
2. Call her on it & DLV so you can DHV on yourself
3. C&F on her line to DHV

And I think any of this would work as long as you do not show that her shit-test caught you off guard and initiated a bad reaction from you. Personally though, I'd go with option 3 as I hate letting chics get away with saying shit like that but I'd also rather eat a dick than give the slut the satisfaction of gettin a rise out of me:

Her: I only date hot guys
You: Wow wow, slow down tiger, just because I'm being friendly doesn't mean I'm gonna go on a date with you! Come on now you;re gonna have to work for it a little bit more than that. *smirk*

Here I'm not validating myself to her shit-test and I'm not lettin her psyche me out either but instead I turned the table around and use her own shit-test to DHV with a C&F attitude. I wouldn't use a neg in this situation as it would come off too much as a "come back" which translates to negative emotions and like I said above I don't like to let chics get away w/ comments like this so I wouldn't ignore it either.

Let me know what you all think.

perfect I was going to suggest "ok" then carry on

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