Whats your take on these 2 different pick up styles?

DYD stuff is more direct (I think your cute, wish I could chat now but wats ur #), and MM which more involved and complicated gaming obstacles, negging, hoops, approaching group sets, performing tricks, palm reading... it goes on and on! Dont get me wrong I loveseeing it in action and rading it but, honestly, it scares the shit out of me! The DYD stuff got me a lot of #'s but few dates. The MM stuff got me into conversations with sets that swometimes got ugly and I would up feelin discouraged. I find keeping a girl or group of girls or group of guys and girls, all of which are strangers, very difficult to keep them interested in me. I suspect that I am not very congruent either. I imagine that this material will take me a year to get good at. Yes?

When I first started reading pick up material-I came across DYD stuff. I read everything available on the web and started to practice it. Basically, I would open with a direct opener such as "hey, i noticed you. your cute! are you friendly"? I'd then go into small talk and then time restraint (gotta go now) but you have a nive energy-would SPAM go out for coffee sometime, do you have email? While ur at it, write ur # down.
Although, at first I was still scared (total afc) but I did this quite often and got lots of #'s. I still had to talk to these women at some point and try the cocky funny to build attraction but I almost never got to that cause few called back.

I've become dependent on the DYD stuff and am quite intimidated by MM stuff.

Whats your take on these 2 different pick up styles?

I see where you're coming from
I used DYD method at first, but again, it took me long enough to realize something very important, and as a good friend I'll give this secret to you:

"ALL THE METHODS OUT THERE FOLLOW THE SAME ATTRACTION MODEL"

I think Mystery put it clearer, Find, Meet, Attract, Close

All the methods follow the same process, they are just broken down in different steps

It's important to internalize that, it will give much more independence

First I recommend you read this post of mine, it clarifies what you need to do in order to have any type of method work for you

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Now, to your case, when I started to get numbers and then few of them turned into dates or even called back, I couldn't understand it, I followed the steps and it didn't work, so Im guessing, that just like me, you just got all the free stuff, didn't buy the dvd's or audios, neither did I bro... So on the free emails David D forgot to add something, (better said didn't want to... great marketer) and this is it:

"When you get numbers under 2-4 minutes, focus on attraction, since time won't allow to build comfort"

And as you know, comfort is one of the things that will make her want to see you again, therefore you must rely on something else to make her want to see you again, this is called ATTRACTION

Remember it's much easier to remind someone why she's attracted to you later on, than to build comfort first.

So how do you build attraction in such a short time? It;s the impact of your opener

Examples:

- Getting a girls number right in front of her friends, and her friends giving a good comment about you will make her feel comfortable with her decision.
- Doing something crazy/sweet enough, like gtting out of the car on the road to meet her (i heard of cases, so don't say 'no, that can't happen)
- Approaching in front of the family and so on

Get the idea?

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Brilliant! And yes, I had read that post and many other posts of yours and always find them helpful (not blowin smoke!).

Now, from what I understand, youre saying that perhaps when I call them after gettin their #, that I should somehow remind them of what they were attracted to when they gave me their number?

If thats wat you mean, can you give me an example? Lets say I walk right up to her like I normally do, say soimething like 'hey, i noticed you back ther and I think ur cute! are u friendly? hahaha u kno ur nose wiggles wen you laugh! is this just a casual walk thru the park today or r u on ur way to somthin fun n exciting (improvizing now)? So, I dont have time to chat at the moment but I'm curious n would like to kno more... do u have email? Write ur # down too...' she laughs, giggles, says Im bold, interesting watever...

Anyway, u kno the routine...

Now, a few days go by (DYD recommends emailing/texing-not calling-wat do u think?) and I call, email or text. Then wat???? How do you handle this or what would u suggest?

Thanks bro!

I think it's always key to ask "Do you 'actually' use your email?"

Cause some girls are sophisticated and will actually check their emails, others won't, correct?

You don't wanna waste time emailing a girl who WONT check her email

Now, if they check it, cool, if they dont, call them 1st

Now, on the phone, the best thing to do is flirt flirt flirt

Then suggest to go out, make it sound like youre going with or without her
and make it clear that you go out "as friends"

For example:

PUA:So, when are YOU taking ME out?
HER:She may say, isn't the guy supposed the girl out?
PUA: Nah, thats the old way giiirl, update yourself
HER: Haha
PUA: well, Im going to starbucs, you like starbucs?
HER: Yeah sure
PUA: Ok, you pay
HER: Haha
PUA: Ok I want you to come with me, but we are going AS FRIENDS
(It's important that you say that, it intrigues her even more)
HER: ok, done blah blah

The conversation on the phone is abut 10-15 min at the most

In it, you're giving her JUST ENOUGH reason for her to meet up with you

You're being funny, charming, and NOT creepy

Then on the meeting thats when you start to fill in the blank space to WHY she's attracted to you

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I never thought of that romeo, switching the tables around on the girl and acting like ur putting her in the friends box!, romeo quick question if u ask a girl out and she says ok but just as a friend what would say to that?

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-Giacomo Casanova

You say either:

Labeling me already? Jeez

Or

Of course we are going as friends, dont you have any expectations on me

it's a shit test dude

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I use...

"Of course we're going as friends, I'm out of your league."

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Damn
Meth
You just outgamed me!
Can I have your autograph?!? Haha
I like that line
Guys, use it... listen to him
wise guy, wise guy
Right bro?

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Partners in crime

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thats fuckin slick dude

smoooth line meth, im gonna defintly use

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I am bound to add that the excess in too little has ever proved in me more dangerous than the excess in too much; the last may cause indigestion, but the first causes death.
-Giacomo Casanova

I prefer a combination of both I usully incorporate cocky funny in my negs and anytime I kino escalate I tease her with a joke. By the way the best use of the dd method ive ever heard brilliant meth

It's just two different game plans to seduction sometimes one works and the other doesn't. Personally I feel david de has great motivational stuff for guys starting out and mystery compliments it with the logical path to communicating well with women. Then you build upon this.

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I have read The Mystery Method and have started to read Double Your Dating. The M.M is laid out very nicely and is an excellent formula. DD is much more straight forward, more for the guy who needs some confidence building and a new mind set. In my opinion, MM is much better.

The way I see it, MM breaks the basics down, so you start with that as your foundation. Once you learn the basics, you add David D's stuff on top of that and then whatever else you want to use. So, you've got the underlying social dynamics and attraction principles, then you add C & F to it, and blend in anything else you want.