I was just wondering if anyone might happen to have some suggestions as to some recommended reading and other resources that I can use to improve my game.

I have been studying the game for a while now and whenever I get the chance I try to practice what I have learned out in the field by as much as I can. I have studied Mystery's DVD, and I have also studied pretty much most of both Ross Jeffries Stuff and David D's stuff, but unfortunately I still have some sticking points that I need to work on and I am currently working on them.

I guess that you could say that my most recent failure was with a girl that is a foreign exhange student from France. Me and her seemed to be hitting it off pretty good or at least I think that we were and perhaps it is possible that I was misreading her signals because I am pretty sure that she was really into me and if we had been anywhere other than at work, then I think that it is possble that I could have gotten a kiss from her.

Unfortunately that was not an option because of the fact that we were both working at the time and any attempt to kiss her or to touch her in any way could have been contrued as sexual harassment by others. I have to admit that when it comes to things like body language I am a little weak in, and I also seem to be a little weak when it comes to the area of creating rapport in such a way as to where I don't come off as a jerk, but at the same time I am still standing my ground, joking around with her, and delivering negs at just the right times without going into overkill and I am trying to get things just right so that my game is much more accurate and I am hoping that maybe someone might have some suggestions as to some books or other study materials that I can access that can enhance my game as someday I am hoping to not only go to France, but to also eventually find the right one and settle down because quite frankly I am just getting sick and tired of being single and someday I would like to be able to get married again.


Robert.

Field experience can teach you more than any amount of books can. And, in all honesty, that's where you learn to time yourself and to be sure of yourself. When and what to neg. When to touch, when not to. DO NOT expect to hit it off the bat. In fact, expect the first three months to be shitty. Point is, you have too keep motivating yourself to go out and sarge sarge SARGE!

I can't put it any more directly or simpler than that.

I agree that field experience is critical, but there must be some books and other resources that I can check out that will help me to cut my learning experience in half and to avoid many of the same mistakes as the definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results and even people like David D, Ross, and Mystery all read books and studied from as many different sources that they could to help them to understand as to what they were doing right, what they were doing wrong, and to help them to gauge their effectiveness better while at the same time avoiding many of the same mistakes that both they and others were making with women and we all know that most women just are not going to come right out and tell you as to what it is going to take to get them into your bed and out of their panties.

Most women that will tell you that are usually either out to get something from you because that is how they are taught or they are just plain lying and trying to play games with you and anyone who falls for either of those ploys that women use is a chump because he is falling for the same tricks and tactics that most women tend to use themselves and all that he is demonstrating is that he is a chump which tends to lower his value and tends to put him in the DLV catagory and that is something that we are not here to do as we are here to demonstrate a higher value to them and that we have social proof (like Mystery tends to call it).


I realize that going out and practicing is the ultimate, but there has got to be more to that and that is what I am trying to get at and find out so that I can better deal with their bullshit a lot better.

I don't know if I am making myself understood, but I sure hope that I am and that people understand as to where I am comming from because I have been around the block and I have seen a lot of the bullshit that women like to pull just so that they can get what they want without having to give anything in return, and in my book that shit just does not fly.

Robert Greene's books...all of them.

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Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. - Robert Greene

That's a good suggestion and in fact I already have one of his books 'The Art of Seduction'. I'm not sure if he has written anything else, but that is the book that I have from him. I also have 'The 33 strategies of War', and 'The 48 Laws of Power', but I'm not sure if he wrote them or not. I will have to check to see who wrote them.

I was wondering if you might have any suggestions relating to body language and relating to detecting lies and deceit as these areas seem to be my biggest weak points from what I can tell outside of sitting down and playing with behavior modification a little more.

I'm also working on learning and playing with NLP, Hypnosis and the patterns of Milton Erickson as I kind of think that is fun to play with and after I started to study from Ross I started to realize that all Ross really did was to take NLP and Hypnosis and then to combine them with romance, seduction and sex to get the results that he talks about and although I don't know if it is true or not, but Ross claims that that Mystery stole speed seduction from him and has been using it in many of his routines.

I can't say if that is true or not, but it does seem plausible because both Mystery and Ross have stated along with Major Mark that they have routines that you can use if you want to get that one special girl whether or not she is married or in a relationship and from what I have seen of both Mystery and Style they both seem to rely a lot on sales & marketing tactics for the most part to get the girl and so does David D while Ross seems to rely mostly on NLP and Hypnosis to get the girl, but from what I have noticed is that Ross tends to forget the other aspects of seduction like getting the girl to laugh and to have playful banter with her prior to using any kinds of patterning techniques and it is during that playful banter and when she is laughing that negs seem to really do their best work because that seems like you can pretty much call her anything and she will most likely to laugh about it if it is done in the right context.

An example of this would be while you are flirting with her and playfully teasing her that you call her something like a brat or you tell her that she has a booger coming out of her nose or something along those lines, but sometimes that does not always work as I have found that some chicks just seem to be hostile coming right out of the gate and that seems to be where behavior modification, etiquette, NLP, Hypnosis, and the DSM-IV tend to come into play along with acting and maybe a few well placed hard hitting negs to really knock her off of her rocker and back down to earth.

This is what I have noticed and perhaps someone else may have noticed something different, but based upon what I have noticed I have gone out and spent a lot of time and money investing in books and other resources that will help me to combat that a little bit better, especially on the side of where she is hostile just coming out of the gate, but for some reason I seem to have trouble not only with the negs and the humor, but also in the bridging process to get her to cross over to the point where you can close the sale and that is why I think that perhaps I am having problems with the body language and the detection of deceit and lying as I have already had some girls try to pull that shit on me on several occasions and I am trying to figure out how to be more aware of it and to stop it dead in it's tracks ahead of time so that it does not happen again.

how about "Rules of the Game" by Neil Strauss?

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A new one just came out that is very unique compared to the others I have read, its called The New Breed: (link removed for affiliate advertising without permission). Its by a group of people called the TIC from Paragon Project (used to be the becomeaplayer site), Its very nice because the concepts are pretty much all unique and are much more refined that current ones.

They even have a free 200+ page seduction book that you should read FIRST (since its free and pretty nice),

Edit: I see how links work now lol, its in my signature now too

The Crash Course: (link removed for affiliate advertising without permission)

I liked "Guy Gets Girl" - lots of useful stuff inside:

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What do you think about this Dennis Neider stuff called 'Being a man in a woman's world'.

I have looked at it and from what I can tell it looks like it might be pretty good for inner game stuff, but that is just my opinion.

I've got that already. I like how Style writes as he seems to be able to explain things better than Mystery can.

Unfortunately I have not really come across anything that really explains Ross's stuff real well.

I don't know if you have noticed this, but to me it seems as though both Ross and Mystery while good at what they do, just can't write and present things worth a crap.

Both tend to complicate things more than they really need to be.