hey guys, there have been plenty of times where i have not known when/how to go in for the kiss. Mainly i think its for fear of rejection really. if i go in for the kiss when shes not ready, not only could i fuck the whole thing up, but i'd also suffer the embarrasment of rejection. I had this one time where i had the girl alone in my room for a solid 5 minutes and i just couldnt find a good way to go in for the kiss. Eventually i decided to grow a pair and just go in for it. Any ideas on how to go in for a kiss?

PS i dont game Bars or clubs so most of my game is on campus walking around or in a dorm/ at a party.

good luck trying to k-close a girl while walking on campus...

as for parties etc, after you've been talking to her a bit use mystery's 3 IOI theory. after she's given you 3 IOI's you can generally go in for a kiss. you can say "i'm trying so hard to not kiss you now" or you can use the "would you like to kiss me?" line... you can do a triangle gaze or kiss her hand and see how she responds...

there are a million ways to actually go about getting a k-close.

alternatively, just go for it when you think it's right.
yes, you may get rejected, but how else are you going to learn?
its just a more physical form of AA, so go for it and get over your fear.

Very nice insights. =]

One thing that I do disagree with you on.. is being able to kiss close where you want. Why? because I've done it.. in some crazy places.

Wal-mart for example.. K-Mart.. ect.

If she is comfortable with you touching her face, you can kiss her.

One test that I like to do... is use David D's kiss test.

While you are talking with her... you put your hand on her sholdier.. and play with her hair.. you can even talk about her hair if you want.

If she pulls away.. then you didn't get rejected. If she stays and likes it.. and smiles you can kiss her. I've even just said.. close you eyes.. then kissed her. No big deal.

i like the compliance test of telling her to close her eyes... going to use that tonight if i find some hotties at this 21st...

but yes, it IS possible to close girls anywhere.... but it's also difficult depending on the girl and venue. campus is on the same level as closing a girl in a shop, like your walmart etc.

the difference is though that there might be people who know her on campus, and it's unlikely that she runs into someone she knows while dry humping you in the fruit&veg isle in walmart. big time ASD. that's my reason for discouraging trying a k-close on campus... so rather go for a #-close and pull her that night, or later on, depending on what suits you.
if you have tight game, a good frame and good looks, then i'd say that you're capable of closing a girl on campus, but i'd still suggest rather going for the day2, and this is speaking out of experience (i'm at the end of my 3rd year on campus now...)

k-close tricks i use:

kick her cheek, then move in to the outskirts of her lips, and shes likely move her head over to give you a real kiss.

eye contact, look at her lips, look at her eyes, smile alittle and plant it. note during the eye contact phases you should be very slowly leaning in.

hope they help, gl.

If she denies a kiss would a freeze-out work?

it should work, depending on how do your freeze out.
whenever a girl doesnt comply (yes, denying a kiss is also failing a compliance test) you should seem as if they just did a DLV. the freeze out should be a momentary loss of interest that lasts only until she DHVs or gives you an IOI. you dont want to look like you're sulking or anything but you do want to make her feel slightly uncomfortable. slightly. how do you do this? small IODs.

there are different ways to do this and others will most probably disagree with what i'm saying, but when i have a girl shut me down i look at her with a smile (to seem unaffected by her denial) and then i suddenly let someone else grab my attention and start a new conversation with that person or excuse myself to quickly go to the bar etc. it should be genuine disinterest

the above isnt fool proof and there are probably better ways to do it, but thats what works for me and my frame that i create. so, if you're the highly social guy who makes a lot of c&f jokes and who is blatantly ADD (which is me in a nutshell) then this would work well.

hey h.. tell me how things go for you tonight.

PM me if you need anything.

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