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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:29 am 
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Seriously Arnold, go read some anthropology. You're coming up with theories that contradict all sorts of accepted concepts.
Sure some guys were monogomous because they couldn't provide for more than 1 mate, but then others had a bunch of mates. Just as in some cultures women had many male mates as well. These are highly accepted concepts and you are arguing against the entire scientific community.
Can you be more specific about the concepts that you feel I contradict?

I have read and taken classes in anthropology, but I'm sure you are aware that anthropology is not an exact science and it has many holes and camps which disagree on multiple things. By telling me to “go read the entire science of anthropology” I hope you know enough about it to give me this suggestion, maybe you can help me out here and name a few books you have in mind so I can enjoy the read as much as you did.

By scientific community do you mean yourself and two other guys from this board? All I am doing is paraphrasing a book that is a must read for PUA's, which has enough sources cited not only from anthropology, but also psychology, sociology, zoology, and many branches of biology that will give you reading material for years to come.

I come to this forum having read a "must read" book according to David D and Neil Strauss. And you are telling me I'm wrong because you haven’t opened it. I am just trying to help the confused guys out and give you some material to chew on. Because I know when I have a question this board will help me out in return. I do not have a secret desire for others to think of me as smart.

You need to understand the difference between polygamy and promiscuity. Just because women have sex with multiple partners (promiscuity) doesn’t mean they hold harems (polygamy) of men.


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I see what your saying. But what if the woman leaves the man? As majority of divorces are initiated by the woman and not by the man.
She is obviously not happy with something if she leaves him - she realised her mistake. Or in some cases she leached everything she wanted out of him. Or she found a better man.

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I did read your quote it did seem that you hinted all and not in general. As you first say they won't fuck other guys but right after that you say they will fuck other guys so I took it that you meant all.
Some will some won't. Those who fuck a lot of men do it because of nurture not nature, like I already mentioned women are programmed by their genes to keep a loyal husband to help raise, protect and feed the young and the woman, but if the woman, even one who was a virgin when the guy married her sees an opportunity to have sex with a more dominant, powerful (whatever she feels like he is better in) than her current mate she will take it, if she sees the gains outweigh the risks (genes do no recognize condoms yet, so they still urge the woman to mate with more powerful men expecting her to be impregnated by them).
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Even tho the man the woman cheated with may be in some short of relationship, wouldn't the woman try to make the man loyal to her? As that is what she is "programed" for right?
See there are genes and then there is the consciousness, the later is the product of the genes, but the consciousness helps the woman decide what is better for her genes in the long run. She could be trying to make him loyal to her if she thinks she stands a chance. There could be number of outcomes. I'll give one example to save us time: If the woman is married to a rich man who she doesn't have a connection with (she married him for money, he is lets say: fat, ugly, bad with women), so she cheats on him with Pablo the gardener because he is strong, young and playful. She would still stay with her husband, because in the long run he is better to rear her young, but she will fuck publo in order to get the "good genes" (you understand?)
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Social acceptance to things. An example of this are some people in the US accepting gays openly. As well as disease resistance. There where a couple of female African prostitutes that where resistance to AIDs as long as they got a "dose" of it from their clients.
Gays have been accepted and prosecuted through out history, ancient emperors had gay orgies in saunas, it was okay in some civilizations sometimes. One could even go as far and say gay is a little bit natural, because when men used to hunting in the ice age the would travel far from their base and sometimes leave the women behind so they would play with their buddy lol. This is disgusting I know.

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What have men lost that women have gained? Take a look at Europe. A lot of beaches are at least topless and women seem to be able to get a lot of the same jobs men get over there. Head to the Middle East and its the total opposite. In some of the countries women are second class and are not even remotely equal to men. You can't even express your sexuality in the open.
You are right, and you know why? Because western society is liberated by sciences, and we do not believe or are not forced to believe in the power of this god fellow as for example many nations in the middle east. It is simply religion that halts them back. They will either catch up to the west, die off, or come up with a superior way to ours in making their society happy.
I appreciate your curiosity. You might want to check out a book called The Red Queen, read reviews on amazon about it, it's a great book!


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Forgot to answer your question: "what have men lost and women gained?"

Lets take your salary exemple: If the avg. woman gets paid 80cents for every dollar the avg. man earns today, and 20 years from now she earns 90 cents for every dollar a man earns then she did not gain the value of 10 cents, she gained a value of 5 cents, causing the employer (who has a set salary budget) to pay the avg. man 5 cents less. So now an avg. woman makes 85 cents for every 95 cents an avg. man makes, or roughly 90 cents for every dollar the man makes. Understand :D ?


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Arnold I will certainly check out that book you mention and I think you answered my questions about the above stuff.
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Forgot to answer your question: "what have men lost and women gained?"

Lets take your salary exemple: If the avg. woman gets paid 80cents for every dollar the avg. man earns today, and 20 years from now she earns 90 cents for every dollar a man earns then she did not gain the value of 10 cents, she gained a value of 5 cents, causing the employer (who has a set salary budget) to pay the avg. man 5 cents less. So now an avg. woman makes 85 cents for every 95 cents an avg. man makes, or roughly 90 cents for every dollar the man makes. Understand :D ?
I get how the man would lose 5 cents to compensate the gain of 5 cents for the woman. But the pay gap has been shrinking without men getting paid less to compensate the increase of pay to women. So men have not lost anything here. The only negative side to this is less people getting hired at the company as there is less money to pay the workers due to the increase pay to women.


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Seriously Arnold, go read some anthropology. You're coming up with theories that contradict all sorts of accepted concepts.
Sure some guys were monogomous because they couldn't provide for more than 1 mate, but then others had a bunch of mates. Just as in some cultures women had many male mates as well. These are highly accepted concepts and you are arguing against the entire scientific community.
Can you be more specific about the concepts that you feel I contradict?

I have read and taken classes in anthropology, but I'm sure you are aware that anthropology is not an exact science and it has many holes and camps which disagree on multiple things. By telling me to “go read the entire science of anthropology” I hope you know enough about it to give me this suggestion, maybe you can help me out here and name a few books you have in mind so I can enjoy the read as much as you did.

By scientific community do you mean yourself and two other guys from this board? All I am doing is paraphrasing a book that is a must read for PUA's, which has enough sources cited not only from anthropology, but also psychology, sociology, zoology, and many branches of biology that will give you reading material for years to come.

I come to this forum having read a "must read" book according to David D and Neil Strauss. And you are telling me I'm wrong because you haven’t opened it. I am just trying to help the confused guys out and give you some material to chew on. Because I know when I have a question this board will help me out in return. I do not have a secret desire for others to think of me as smart.

You need to understand the difference between polygamy and promiscuity. Just because women have sex with multiple partners (promiscuity) doesn’t mean they hold harems (polygamy) of men.
Dude, I've already told you what book to read and I've been telling you which concepts you are contradicting. You keep saying women are monogomous and men are polygamous by nature, which isn't entirely true and I've said that.

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Dude, I've already told you what book to read and I've been telling you which concepts you are contradicting. You keep saying women are monogomous and men are polygamous by nature, which isn't entirely true and I've said that.
"Why is Sex Fun?" is a simple version of "The Red Queen". Both are on evolutionary biology, not anthropology, but red queen is more detailed. Everything you say I contradict was re-explained to you.


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Yeah it would be helpful to have links to any female forums about attracting men and dating.


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